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"To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
 
This is directed towards hobbyists who have 10+ reviews that grade virtually every single provider they see with all 9's & 10's. It's wrong on several fronts. One, it's makes those guys look like paid shills. The first thing I think is that these guys go in and tell the girls that they'll get a great review in exchange for a discounted session. Just as bad are the guys who don't want to hurt anyone's feelings and/or they think they're doing the providers a favor. That couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, those reviews probably end up hurting the girls as most VIP members will look upon them as fake anyway.
So to those guys, before you give out your next 10 keep in mind that it means "Once in a Lifetime." A 9 means "I Thought I was Dreaming". If you feel that all your encounters still fall into that category then you're either extremely lucky or you need to find yourselves GFs.

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1. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   I just checked the official definitions that Redbook gives for what a 10 means. For looks, it means "looks like a supermodel". For service, it means "I thought I was dreaming". Your definitions are loftier than the official definitions. The ratings are an opinion. There is no right or wrong to it. The best way to evaluate a provider to see if she is a good match for what you are looking for is to look at all the reviews combined and to read the written review. The written details are worth more than the number.

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4. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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>The ratings are an opinion. There is no right
>or wrong to it. The best way to evaluate a provider to see
>if she is a good match for what you are looking for is to
>look at all the reviews combined and to read the written
>review. The written details are worth more than the number.

Very well said.....

If the day ever comes when I become so....clinical in evaluating a provider, why I'm going to get a girl friend...., oh that's right, I don't want a girl friend.

As far as all the 9s/10s, one might say the same about 7s/8s.

Take a chance.........................

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2. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   Imagine an unattractive 60 year old, wrinkled-ass, bald-headed, fat fuckk who can't get laid on his own charm...

Now imagine ANY hooker...and I stress ANY...

Put the two together and OF COURSE she is a 9 or 10 to him!!!!!!!!

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3. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 19-Nov-09 AT 06:29 PM (PST)
 
And, some people make conscious, informed decisions.

Take for example someone whom I haven't seen Charly Saks. Or, someone I have met, Lydia Lane.

I suspect if I meet Ms. Saks she' be either a 9.5 or a 10. Ms. Lane is most definately in that range.

Or, SweetestDesire, Evita Moren or Kylie Jordan.

All of these young women have stellar reviews written by experienced and trustworthy hobbyists.

All subject to ones' personal opinions but I suspect I'd personally be pretty hard-pressed to offer a scoring decision less than a 9.0 for appearance alone. Performance is even more subjective!

Age old question. Same answers every time.

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13. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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"Imagine an unattractive 60 year old, wrinkled-ass, bald-headed, fat fuckk who can't get laid on his own charm...

Now imagine ANY hooker...and I stress ANY...

Put the two together and OF COURSE she is a 9 or 10 to him!!!!!!!! "

Bingo! Reading many reviews, one start to think that these reviewer's have never been with a woman before, hence 9's and 10's.

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5. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   IMO, are pure shills.

Nothing wrong with that, actually, as they do not want to be off the mark with the rest who rate all 10's because their review will be deleted and/or mocked by the prostitute herself and her lapdogs if it was a point or two less than perfection. LOL.

Reviews are to be taken with a large grain of sand.

Good Luck,
Lance

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6. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   There might be instances where reviews are inflated for the very reasons you stated. But you need to be careful because there are some other gentlemen who give out mainly great reviews, and they are all well deserved.

What if a gentleman does his homework by reading reviews and posts extensively? What if a gentleman doesn't even bother seeing ladies who have less than 9s and 10s? What if a gentleman refused to see a lady if she had even one no show? What if a gentleman discovered another gentleman who had the exact same standards and they started sharing information about these wonderful ladies? Wouldn't it be likely that said gentleman would have the same 9 and 10 experiences as the other reviewers?

I'm one of those gentlemen. I've written many detailed, excellent reviews for many different ladies. I've written quite a number of posts, posting this year more than ever. Why would someone consider me a shill? Not one lady has ever asked me to write a review for her. When the subject of reviews comes up, one lady even runs and hides because she's so superstitious. If a lady started asking me to write reviews, that would be a deal breaker. I write what I want, when I want, and as many times as I want. This is rb. These are all fictional anyway so what does it matter? As far as hurt feelings go, I generally don't have to worry about it because the ladies I see give maximum effort (that's why they have mostly 9s and 10s). If they didn't, it would be time to move on (By the way, if they have an occasional 8, that's cool).

Hypothetically, let's say I have an hour session lined up and the lady lets me stay 4 hours (went way over). Let's say another lady let's me stay 3 hours during a one hour session (went over). So my 4 hour session is my 'once in a lifetime experience' and gets a 10. And my 3 hour session, with two hours of extra time? My 'once in a lifetime' experience has already happened, so I guess it's a 'I thought I was dreaming' 9 session. Where does that put the hotter than hot, knocked my socks off, triple msog, fmbo one hour session (which is the norm)? Would that be an 8? Absolutely not! They're all 10s. Actually the first two are probably 15s, but the flawed system isn't set up that way.

We've all had experiences like these, where you click so well, that the clock just goes away. 4 hours extra is nothing. I know for a fact that some gentlemen have been invited to spend the night and even more (ymmv). How do you rate a one hour all night session? The rating system is flawed, and we are all very subjective on that flawed system. Plus, as I've shown, there are just too many variables that can happen. I stand by my many high reviews.

What you can do is research the reviewer. If he has three or four pages + of reviews, with many different 5 star ladies, and they're similar to the reviews of others, I think he can be trusted. If, on the other hand, the gentleman has only 2-3 reviews period, of the same lady, it's probably a set up.

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7. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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LAST EDITED ON 19-Nov-09 AT 10:06 PM (PST)
 
What about the possibility that guys who rate the girls they see mostly 9s and 10s only see the best of the best girls? Maybe they seek those types of girls out after doing their research.

EDIT: CC, I should have read your post before posting mine. Great minds think alike!


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8. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   another man junk is another man treasure..

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15. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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>What about the possibility that guys who rate the girls they
>see mostly 9s and 10s only see the best of the best girls?
>Maybe they seek those types of girls out after doing their
>research.

What about the possibility that the reviewers ass is about to explode and they rush the process?

It's more likely than your scenario.


To: Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High...

From: Duwop, with Love and Care
"Fuck off you weak minded, pussy whipped little boys"


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16. "Then they should stay away from the prostate and strap-on session"
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   I'd say that if their ass is about to explode, they might want to stay away from the prostate massage and/or strap-on sessions.

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20. "RE: Then they should stay away from the prostate and strap-on ses"
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>I'd say that if their ass is about to explode, they might
>want to stay away from the prostate massage and/or strap-on
>sessions.

Good point!

(note to self, don't partake in.........when.............)

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9. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   I know I have given ratings that, in hindsight, were too high. It is hard to be objective when you have just popped. Maybe we should institute an RB rule, no reviews until 24 hours after your session.
(Of course with my memory, by then I will have forgotten many of the details!)

tav

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10. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   I completely agree with Callico...I do my research and only see those with consistently positive reviews. So far it has worked out quite nicely. Allow me to add that I'm new and have only posted two reviews (both quite positive), and I stand by them.

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11. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 20-Nov-09 AT 08:41 AM (PST)
 
I pretty well ignore 9's and 10's, because lets face it, a true 9 or 10 is a rarity.
There are a lot of good looking women out there, who are a pleasure to be
with, but a 9 or 10 pretty well has it all. Great face, great teeth, perfect boobs,
great ass, shapely legs. Most Asian RA's have a couple of those features, but usually
fall short in the teeth and ass department.

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12. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   >fall short in the teeth and ass department.
>
Hahaha, I don't know why that sounds so funny (I know there's a joke in there somewhere), but it also so true. I know I have yellow fever because I can so easily overlook those features to some extent, and have even had my perceptions permanently altered. By that I mean a perfectly straight, perfectly white set of chompers on an Asian girl just looks too unnatural and triggers suspicion that they have been cosmetically altered. It's like she has a set of bolt-ons - not necessarily a bad thing if they are done well, but I just prefer au natural. I don't really want to do a plastic barbie doll (well, not since jr. high anyway).

As for the ass department, all my mongering experiences with Asians have actually changed my point of view on what constitutes a fine ass. What typically stirred a sensation in my groin when I was a young buck now looks like too much booty, at least on an Asian.

TJWrong

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21. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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>I know I have given ratings that, in hindsight, were too
>high. It is hard to be objective when you have just popped.
> Maybe we should institute an RB rule, no reviews until 24
>hours after your session.

*Sigh* Many have been for years, encouraging mongers to NOT REVIEW FOR 48 HOURS, at a minimum.

Please try to pay attention.

THANKS


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17. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   I wanted to give an example. This provider has 4 reviews, and while I'm sure the service was stellar and her attitude sweet and charming, she ranked three 8's for body alone. (And one 5.) I'm not talking face, or service, or attitude. Just body. Is this subjective to the beholder, or just a case of three reviewers that don't understand what an 8 means?

http://classifieds.myredbook.com/uploads/pix/j4/wxyrm3w6q39dyh6n.jpg

http://classifieds.myredbook.com/uploads/pix/yl/2b7f9vkzn1jc1yrj.jpg

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18. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   If someone takes the time and reads reviews carefully, most experiences should be at least a 7.5 IMO. If you just grab whoever looks cute and don't do any or slight research, then it becomes more of a crap shoot. Going with the long time 5 Star CM gal who is heavily reviewed with an ongoing excellent track record is pretty much going to assure you of having a better than average time. No guarantees, but a lot better chance than printing out the Personals and throwing darts each day.

It's the extra touches (along with the obvious GFE Service for me) that rate a girl higher and possibly a 9 or 9.5. Is she perfectly on time, dress appropriately or to your request, above average and clean Incall, took the time to clean up and look as good as possible, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.

The problem with reviews that have nothing but 9's and 10's is that we can't determine who someone preferred or who is "better" in their experience. Were they all equally fantastic little dreamboats? Doubtful.

A 10 means, to me at least, and I've never given one, that there wasn't the slightest flaw whatsover or absolutely no need for ANY improvement.

L4B

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19. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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this is one good thread!

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22. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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LAST EDITED ON 22-Nov-09 AT 02:01 AM (PST)
 
The key is connection, chemistry and the art of seduction. Hobbyist who have it and do research in finding providers that are a good fit to their interest are going to have a better experience.

As previously stated in a thread about honest reviewers:

http://forum.myredbook.com/cgi-bin/dcforum2/dcboard.pl?az=show_thread&om=42359&forum=general&archive=#10

A review is the subjective reporting of a hobbyist’s experience with a provider.

The skill and attitude of the provider as well as the skill and attitude of the hobbyist will shape the experience.

A lot of hobbyist consider a provider’s skills on the basis on what she does with her mouth and tongue during a blow job, the way she thrusts her pelvis during intercourse, and the way she touches, caresses, and fingers his balls. Hobbyist vary in how they like it, different stokes for different folks, so much depends on how intuitive she is to apply her skills in the way that will most please her man. (in the context of a GFE session you are her man during that hour) and how capable the hobbyist is in communicating, mostly non verbally, his desires to his woman. (in the context of a GFE session she is your woman during that hour)

Some hobbyist like to keep it simple, they just want to bust a nut in the mouth or the pussy of a hot babe. A reasonably pleasant demeanor and a drama free environment is all that is needed.

There is no wrong or right approach to the hobby, just different depending on the needs and interest of the participant. However, the hobbyist who has a low opinion of women that “sell their bodies” or thinks that since he is paying her he need not respect her, or take her feelings into account, is not likely to get as good of a session as the hobbyist that has the skill and attitude to make a woman feel safe, comfortable and appreciated.

So key things I look for in reviews:
1. She is not LE or a ROB or a dangerous person.
2. What is on the menu, i.e., DFK, BBBJ, DATY
3. Attitude, does she like providing, is her approach mechanical or passionate.
4. Any comments on pics being accurate or not.

Scores are even more subjective and I tend to see 10, 9, 8, as being almost the same score. I'm more interested in the narrative.

BTW, I think a lot of hobbyist will write more detail in a TOFTT first review than on a provider who has 2 or more pages of reviews where a quick confirmation of previous review findings or pointing out differences may be all that is needed.

Edit: YMMV, I kind of feel sorry for the guys who have not experienced a 10. But perhaps they don’t need a 10 they just want to get off….there is nothing wrong with that.

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23. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   >>>Edit: YMMV, I kind of feel sorry for the guys who have not experienced a 10. But perhaps they don’t need a 10 they just want to get off….there is nothing wrong with that.<<<

No need to feel sorry for anyone, some Men just have higher standards than you do. Nothing more to it.

I agree with the guidelines for giving a 10 in service. Once in a lifetime is a HUGE statement. If I found a girl that met that criteria and could honestly state that, I would see her exclusively.

Cases in point .

I have give a 9.5 to only 3 girls on RB. Less than half of my Reviews remain but 2 out of 3 of those girls do. In all of those instances where I have given a 9.5, I have seen them DOZENS of times. If I was to "expire" today, then DustyRose would be my 10 in my hobbying if I could revise it, but her Reviews are gone.

No such thing as YMMV, this is the ultimate cop out.

If I tell someone what services I recieved, then they SHOULD fully expect to receive the same. This isn't some dating club where we go out with girls, write reviews, and if some dude gets lucky and gets a bbbj claims "YMMV". Bullshit and nonsense. This is a P4P board and Men are forking out sometimes 3 bills and hour and damn well should know what to expect.

Obviously there is always the exception and if some dude shows up drunk, disheveled, rude, and with bleeding balls from shaving recently (Lol) then he probably isn't going to get the same bang for the buck you and everyone else did.

L4B

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24. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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The issue is not so much about having higher or lower standards, but more at one’s ability to find women and create an experience that meets or exceeds their standards. People vary widely in their life experiences and range of sexual interest. The higher the standard the more research and effort will be required. So you are are right, one man‘s 10 might be another man‘s 8. That’s why as I said above, in reading reviews I tend to see 8, 9, 10 as essentially the same score.

>No such thing as YMMV, this is the ultimate cop out.

We have had this discussion before. Just because one has not experienced YMMV, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Trust me, YMMV does indeed exist. The problem may be that the term is overly used and a number of readers may not understand the code speak that is really being communicated in those situations where the term would be appropriate to use.
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25. "RE: To Hobbyists Who Grade Everyone High..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 23-Nov-09 AT 07:37 PM (PST)
 
So what if some guys think a fat chick with zits on her ass deserves a 10 in looks, that's their preference. You must remember, some reviewers are butt ugly fat bastards with poor hygiene and little social skills. The rest who engage in the behavior of overrating might be men with extremely low self worth or hope to get a discount from the fat pig next time out. What can ya do? Also, there are some creepy fucks in the world and some of them post here .Probably in the Retard Report, mostly obese, poor dental hygiene...you get the picture

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