RedBook
EscortsPremier Adult Entertainment Community Home | Ads | Message Board myredbok
Subject: "BBFS and child support" Archived thread - Read only
 
  Previous Topic | Next Topic
printerPrinter Friendly view     picviewPic view    
Conferences > Northern California > General > Topic #43127
Reading Topic #43127

leo68
Member since 10-Dec-03
103 posts, Rate this user
25-Nov-09, 01:04 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to leo68 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
"BBFS and child support"
 
   I was just reading the post on "BBFS common with asian providers" and one wrote about paying child support for the next 18 years.

Question: if you have BBFS with a provider and she had a kid, can she file for child support even though the act was a business transaction and she is a provider and should have known? Is there a California state law says you legally by law (not morally) have to pay for child support?

  Alert Top

 
Conferences | Forums | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

BigAddler click here to view user rating
Member since 5-Sep-07
457 posts, 3 feedbacks, 5 points
25-Nov-09, 01:12 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to BigAddler Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
1. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #0
 
Legally pay? Yes. Doesn't matter how, it's a kid so you have to pay.

  Alert Top

arbiez_temp click here to view user rating
Charter Member
2194 posts, 42 feedbacks, 78 points
25-Nov-09, 03:04 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to arbiez_temp Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
2. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #0
 
Leo,

There are a lot of variations on what is legal vs what is morale with regards to child support. To answer your question,

Obviously since any occurrence with a provider, whether it's an encounter or and encounter with extras, is generally frowned upon (if not outright illegal) the court wouldn't look in the guy's favor regardless of the "business transaction" aspect. You pay, period.

But you don't even have to get that far. In CA, a guy can get nailed for child support if . . .

...he marries a woman and adopts her kid to change the name. (How romantic--NOT!!!)
...a woman obtains sperm and impregnates herself. (think sperm bank)

That's right, you can pay child support on a kid that is not yours. Being at an AAMP has nothing to do with it.

  Alert Top

thepk click here to view user rating
Charter Member
876 posts, 6 feedbacks, 10 points
25-Nov-09, 03:42 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to thepk Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
3. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #2
 
   if your wife gets pregnant via someone else on your watch and you can't i d the culprit,you will have to pay even if you prove its not yours. welcome to califonia.

  Alert Top

BlazinAsian
Member since 23-Nov-09
13 posts, Rate this user
25-Nov-09, 04:16 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to BlazinAsian Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
4. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #3
 
   That can't be true can it? What if you get a divorce it's not legally yours and your name wouldn't be on the revised birth certificate.

  Alert Top

PussyPounder click here to view user rating
Member since 9-Sep-02
346 posts, 2 feedbacks, 4 points
25-Nov-09, 04:17 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to PussyPounder Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
5. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #3
 
LAST EDITED ON 25-Nov-09 AT 04:18 PM (PST)
 
Heres one for the books, and this is from personal expierence.
In CA, you will get nailed for child support if you fail to show up for a paternity court hearing, even if your found to be "NOT" the childs biological father.

  Alert Top

Looking4thebestmoderator
Charter Member
7188 posts
25-Nov-09, 04:37 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to Looking4thebest Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
6. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #3
 
   No, there's quite a bit more to it. Here is just one link. The 2 year time frame is due, in part, to the bonding with the child. If in doubt, get a blood test before 2 years.

In marital relationships, the long-established rule that the child of a wife cohabiting with her husband is "conclusively" presumed to be child of the marriage is well recognized in California (Family Code §7540). In other words, a man who is not impotent or sterile, and who is married to the mother of a child is "conclusively" presumed to be the child’s father.

This so-called "conclusive" presumption may be overcome by the use of blood tests provided an application for a court order for blood tests is made within 2 years of the child’s birth (Family Code §7541(b)).

http://www.irvinelaw.com/PATERNIT.HTM

  Alert Top

eros2354 click here to view user rating
Member since 22-Mar-05
2928 posts, 11 feedbacks, 21 points
26-Nov-09, 09:51 AM (PST)
Click to send private message to eros2354 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
17. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #3
 
LAST EDITED ON 26-Nov-09 AT 09:55 AM (PST)
 
DNA testing on who pays. If you marry her even after becoming pregnant by someone else, congradulations. Its all yours.

  Alert Top

MrRoboto click here to view user rating
Member since 23-May-07
556 posts, 5 feedbacks, 10 points
25-Nov-09, 04:58 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to MrRoboto Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
7. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #0
 
   If you are DNA proven to be the father, would you NOT be responsible?

Robot gives the best "O"!

  Alert Top

thepk click here to view user rating
Charter Member
876 posts, 6 feedbacks, 10 points
25-Nov-09, 06:04 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to thepk Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
8. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #7
 
   if they can't find the biological father and you are married to her, you will be resposible, you divorce her and prove that you are not the father, you pay child support in cali. true story

  Alert Top

cesium137 click here to view user rating
Member since 14-Jul-06
432 posts, 15 feedbacks, 6 points
25-Nov-09, 06:07 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to cesium137 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
9. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #7
 
   are all you guys crazy or just stupid? how the hell would any provider track you down as the father out of the dozens of guys she saw during the period of insemination?

and even if you were the only one, so what? does she know your real name? aren't you using a throw-away phone? don't you park the car at least two blocks from the incall?

now, if you're dumb enough to invite her to YOUR place, then you deserve what happens.

  Alert Top

Client69
Member since 13-Mar-08
73 posts
25-Nov-09, 09:37 PM (PST)
Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
14. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #9
 
   >are all you guys crazy or just stupid? how the hell would
>any provider track you down as the father out of the dozens
>of guys she saw during the period of insemination?

She wouldn't need to track down dozens of guys, just the one dumb enough to do BBFS. Condoms aren't perfect, but it's all about keeping risks manageable.

>and even if you were the only one, so what? does she know
>your real name? aren't you using a throw-away phone? don't
>you park the car at least two blocks from the incall?

Do you have a California driver's license? If so, did they scan your fingerprint? Have you ever not left fingerprints behind when visiting hookers? Have you ever been booked for a non-prostitution-related crime, perhaps in a different state or jurisdiction? If so, did they collect DNA samples?

Looking into the near-future: in the health care industry, the emphasis in on cost-controls, and there's a push for portable electronic records; and considering all the security breaches that already occur with confidential/financial records (e.g. credit card numbers, social security numbers, etc.), can you be 100% sure your DNA profile cannot ever be linked to your true identity?

With today's technology and post-9/11 Big Brother looking over our shoulders (not to mention Hackers everywhere), don't take anonymity for granted. The greater your Net Wealth, the more you have to lose if you cross paths with a truly-committed gold-digger. Only the paranoid survive.

Client69

  Alert Top

cesium137 click here to view user rating
Member since 14-Jul-06
432 posts, 15 feedbacks, 6 points
26-Nov-09, 09:46 AM (PST)
Click to send private message to cesium137 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
16. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #14
 
   if she did bbfs with one guy, then she did it with a bunch, if not all, of the guys.

and this is not a crime scene--the cops aren't going to take fingerprints for some whore who gets pregnant.

i guess this answers my question--you guys are stupid.

  Alert Top

MickCooper
Member since 17-Aug-08
181 posts, Rate this user
25-Nov-09, 06:22 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to MickCooper Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
10. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #0
 
   Why would anyone be so fucking stupid to give your real name and personal information to a provider? If some dumb provider gets pregnant, she will look long and hard to find "Mick Cooper". "Mick Cooper" may be the father, but I ain't "Mick Cooper". Personally, I don't go for BBFS, because I don't want to leave evidence of where I have been, and I don't want some fucking bitch to drain me for money for 18 years.

Mick Cooper

  Alert Top

Omaker
Member since 20-Nov-03
97 posts, Rate this user
25-Nov-09, 07:39 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to Omaker Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
11. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #10
 
   9 times out of 10 an provider isn't going to have a child by a guy she just met during a session... unless the guy does something stupid like leaving evidence as to whom you are.
For one, I don't park my car anywhere near where the provider lives, I park down the street or around the corner. Second, I never carry any ID on me when I go into a incall. Third, never invite a woman to my house that I haven't seen at least 5 times at her incall or hot tubs. Even when I do invite a woman to my home for an outcall, we won't be doing BBFS... Not to say that haven't done it because I have, but if you're coming to my house, we won't be doing that.
Fourth, I have a throw away phone that leave no trace. Hence, no way to track me via phone records.
Now with all that said and done, is their chance that I could get a woman pregnant doing BBFS, YES. I would be stupid not to realize that. At the same time, BBFS and even CFS comes with risk, if you don't do your homework and handle yourself properly, you deserve what happens.
On a side note, don't really want to hear about me or anyone else being stupid doing BBFS, I've done it and so have other that won't admit it. Who cares if it's wrong or not, if you don't like it, use protection, if you do like it, get tested, play fair and enjoy yourself.

  Alert Top

LHOOQ
Member since 14-Feb-09
10 posts, Rate this user
25-Nov-09, 07:58 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to LHOOQ Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
12. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #0
 
   Circumstances of conception never change one simple question: Is the baby yours?

  Alert Top

jujube
Member since 19-Sep-02
1122 posts
25-Nov-09, 08:34 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to jujube Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
13. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #0
 
   An interesting look at child support eventhough you found out later that the kid ain't even yours:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/22/magazine/22Paternity-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine

  Alert Top

kinkyfetishstud click here to view user rating
Member since 17-Aug-09
924 posts, 8 feedbacks, 11 points
25-Nov-09, 09:56 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to kinkyfetishstud Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
15. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #13
 
Just fuck her in the ass instead or have her swallow your load. She can't get pregnant in either case.

  Alert Top

DaiLun click here to view user rating
Charter Member
1409 posts, 13 feedbacks, 17 points
26-Nov-09, 09:36 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to DaiLun Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
20. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #15
 
   >Just fuck her in the ass instead or have her swallow your
>load. She can't get pregnant in either case.

I don't know, you'd better check with Boris Becker re: the latter <G>.

I'm sure that Boris thought that she swallowed.

DaiLun

  Alert Top

drinkitdown click here to view user rating
Charter Member
730 posts, 5 feedbacks, 10 points
26-Nov-09, 11:58 AM (PST)
Click to send private message to drinkitdown Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
18. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #0
 
You can say the child is not yours from the moment the child is born. There is one REAL case I know where he denied being the father and wasn't married to the girl. He had a relationship with the child because his girlfriend wanted the child to have a father figure. She sued, and he had to pay child support because he acted as a father even though DNA tests showed he was not the father.

The guy will have to pay, so don't even think about it.

  Alert Top

escort4us click here to view user rating
Charter Member
20731 posts, 68 feedbacks, 84 points
26-Nov-09, 12:16 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to escort4us Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM  
19. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #0
 
>I was just reading the post on "BBFS common with asian
>providers" and one wrote about paying child support for the
>next 18 years.
>
>Question: if you have BBFS with a provider and she had a
>kid, can she file for child support\
---
Umm..yup.

Family court doesnt matter how the kid came to get there at all.


Fujiwara tofu rocks!

  Alert Top

murdoch7 click here to view user rating
Member since 20-Dec-08
300 posts, 10 feedbacks, 2 points
27-Nov-09, 01:03 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to murdoch7 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
25. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #19
 
   By that reasoning, a sperm bank is liable for child support.

  Alert Top

Jacket1 click here to view user rating
Charter Member
23585 posts, 34 feedbacks, 42 points
26-Nov-09, 10:49 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to Jacket1 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
21. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #0
 
   In addition to many of the fine points already made, I'll add that your child support goes to the CHILD (via the recipient of child support). Your obligation to the child is intact because it is separate from the "business transaction" with the mother.

An extreme case of this was a case where one parent raped the other, and the rape victim had to pay child support.

  Alert Top

arbiez_temp click here to view user rating
Charter Member
2194 posts, 42 feedbacks, 78 points
27-Nov-09, 12:02 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to arbiez_temp Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
24. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #21
 
>In addition to many of the fine points already made, I'll
>add that your child support goes to the CHILD (via the
>recipient of child support). Your obligation to the child
>is intact because it is separate from the "business
>transaction" with the mother.

While I understand the logic of this statement, I struggle to grasp the practical application. IOWs paying child support to the courts does not directly result in a payment to child (the kid is not cashing the check to it's own diapers).

The bottom line is that the person paying support really has no control on how that money is spent.

In short, it's a f*cked up and broken system all the way around. The best advice is to note that there are predators and prey in both genders. Avoid the former and don't be the latter.

  Alert Top

buckweston
Member since 8-Jan-08
38 posts, Rate this user
26-Nov-09, 11:54 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to buckweston Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
22. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #0
 
   I recently had a disturbing ending to what was becoming a nice relationship. I've been a pretty active hobbyist, but have typically just visited each RA once or twice and then moved on. I ALWAYS used condoms for FS. However, a while back, I met an older (early 40s) lady who was pretty new to this business. She doesn't speak English very well, and as I later learned, was here illegally. Anyway, she was very passionate and I really clicked with her. The first couple of times we were together she produced condoms- which we used. Then one night, she just started to guide me in bareback. I kind of hesitated- but she said it would feel so much better. I know it was stupid but.... I saw her a few more times and we repeated it bareback. I was more worried about STDs than I was a pregnancy- because she was in her 40s and already had grown up kids. I just figured there was no way she would want to have any more. Anyway, one night she made a comment about maybe having more kids- that obviously got me pretty nervous. Then I saw a bottle of Folic Acid on her kitchen counter. For those not familiar with this- it is a common dietary supplement that women (especially older ones) wanting to get pregnant take to reduce the chance of birth defects. I saw that and ran.

Yes, having unprotected sex with a provider is pretty stupid- not just for disease, but for the whole child support issue as well. I think a lot of these women may see it as a way of getting legal residency here- so beware. It's been a while now since this all happened, and I still see her advertising on RB. Hopefully I escaped this one, but as I said before, it was a disturbing experience. And yes, I do know I was stupid, so please- no reminders.

  Alert Top

jrap0
Member since 9-Jul-05
85 posts, Rate this user
27-Nov-09, 06:08 AM (PST)
Click to send private message to jrap0 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
23. "RE: BBFS and child support"
In response to message #22
 
   Not to become repetitious, but the co-pay at Kaiser for a vasectomy is $ 15. I'm not going to have kids by anyone, and I know why!

  Alert Top

Conferences | Forums | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

   reviews | join vip | metasearch | terms of use | privacy top | help | faq    ©2010 myRedBook S.A.