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"Laptops vs SFPD"
 
Something to think about for those who hobby on the way to/from work, school, or just travel with equipment.

http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2009/11/26.html

Here's a longer article about SFPD's apparent new policy of seizing any laptops they can find
-- even ones that are turned off, and tucked away inside a backpack
-- any time they bust up a private house party.


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1. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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Password protect it. Both @ logging in as well as in the BIOS.

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2. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   I keep an unlock code on my phone for the same reason. Just ditched my old hobby phone and got a new one, which I'll be sure to protect in the same way. It's my understanding that one cannot be compelled to provide a password or unlock code for phones, computers, etc given the right not to incriminate self. Can anyone attest to this? I know that I would keep my mouth shut and decline no matter what, even if threatened with jailing. Best to let them wonder what's there and not find out, then talk to a lawyer.

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4. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   LAST EDITED ON 27-Nov-09 AT 09:49 PM (PST)
 
If you have anything incriminating on your computer, you should get full harddisk encryption. Without it, anyone decent with a computer can access all your files by accessing your hard disk as an external drive from another computer, which bypasses BIOS and operating system passwords. Full disk encryption is the only way to prevent this. When you use it, make sure your password is secure by using a password generator program. Use the password generator for your OS login too. All these things are easy to find for free online.

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6. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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I can imagine a time when they'll use pain compliance bypass that:

"Now, enter your password, or we'll tase you again."

I don't think that's too far fetched.

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3. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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Your post makes it sound like CAN = WILL.

Busted for drugs, will, traffic stop...not.


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5. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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With respect to hobbying, what is stored on your computer that SFPD would actively seek to incriminate you on charges of being a john? It's really not worth their time or energy.

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7. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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They don't give a shit about incriminating you. Very doubtful anyone ever looks at these laptops. All they are doing is depriving people of the use of the laptop, for the purpose of extra-legal punishment.

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8. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   corned beef is a poor man's pastrami


And, if they really wanted to look into your computer, no software in existence could prevent them from uncovering things--their ability is beyond yours.

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9. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   >corned beef is a poor man's pastrami
>
>
>And, if they really wanted to look into your computer, no
>software in existence could prevent them from uncovering
>things--their ability is beyond yours.

And the simple truth of the technology sector is that anyone who has physical access _will_ be able to break all security measures. Sure, this requires know-how that most won't have, but it becomes a question of what lengths someone is willing to go to rather than possibility. Fortunately, busting someone for the hobby probably isn't worth their time, as mentioned above.

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18. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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LAST EDITED ON 02-Dec-09 AT 01:42 AM (PST)
 
A simple password on your Windows laptop or bios isn't much of a problem for even basic folks to break. MS makes a thumb drive software package called COFFEE that will open up Windows for police.

Your best bet is full disk encryption from PGP or TrueCrypt.

If you have a SSD hard drive and full disk encryption nobody can crack it even if they have physical access. Not even the feds.

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10. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   I am not a lawyer, but to the best of my knowledge, the cops need a warrant to seize a particular item of your personal property. To just walk up to a person on the street and take their property is theft, I don't care if you are a police officer or private citizen.

If it were me, I would file suit for damages (replacement cost of laptop + software, and lost income) and for violation of civil rights. There could be some big punitive damages there if the case can be proven.

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11. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   my laptop's battery is wired to a very small explosive device triggered by anyone other than me using it, based on my prints. so good luck to anyone trying to gain access.

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12. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   Now we know that Cesium is Anthony Pellicano. They let you use RB from inside?

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13. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   Every monger should watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

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17. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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Ditto!! That thought. There is some GREAT info contained in that video. The PD may illegally take your laptop but they won't be able to use anything on it unless you given them consent to search.

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14. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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I hope this clears things up for you folks.

1. The police may confiscate your property for probable cause without a warrant. You will have to file a civil claim to get it back. Police may not compel you to provide your password. The district attorney cannot file a criminal complaint against you for refusing to provide your password. Likewise, the police technically can't arrest you for refusing to provide your password.

2. In order to have forensic investigators break into your computer and search it, police must obtain a warrant from a judge. They will need probable cause to do this and will need to inform the judge exactly what they are looking for on the computer.


So, what is important for you to take away from this? Password protect your computer and don't give police the password.

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15. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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I got news for you guys. They know who you are, they know what websites you visit, they know what appointments you make. I answered this ad on craigslist when I was working in LA. This dude wanted me to fuck his wife and to make a long story short, I didn't because of all the rules about me telling him my life story in an email first.

Thing is, while I emailed him back and for for about four times... he went balistic and told me he wanted me to "come fight him like a man". LOL... I told to "F" himself. But, he said he could find me.... within 30 minutes, he somehow found my name, he found that the websites I went on, he even know my screen name "drinkitdown" and that I used Redbook. He also knew my telephone number.

I did not give him anything and he got it all, he said he was in IT and knew how to do it.

I changed all my passwords, changed many things. It just goes to show you that in the internet world, they can track you anytime they feel like it.

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16. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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I don't think I quite buy that. In any event, that has nothing to do with protecting the police from easily accessing your hard-drive without a warrant.

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19. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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>I got news for you guys. They know who you are, they know
>what websites you visit, they know what appointments you
>make. I answered this ad on craigslist when I was working
>in LA. This dude wanted me to fuck his wife and to make a
>long story short, I didn't because of all the rules about me
>telling him my life story in an email first.
>
>Thing is, while I emailed him back and for for about four
>times... he went balistic and told me he wanted me to "come
>fight him like a man". LOL... I told to "F" himself.
>But, he said he could find me.... within 30 minutes, he
>somehow found my name, he found that the websites I went on,
>he even know my screen name "drinkitdown" and that I used
>Redbook. He also knew my telephone number.
>
>I did not give him anything and he got it all, he said he
>was in IT and knew how to do it.
>
>I changed all my passwords, changed many things. It just
>goes to show you that in the internet world, they can track
>you anytime they feel like it.
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Bullllllshit.

Or he was a great hacker, and you were using unpatched Windows XP, or a 2003 version of redhat.

Fujiwara tofu rocks!

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20. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   Or, he was a friend of yours winding you up!

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21. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   BS---Let me clear this up.

Even if a cop had probable cause and he got an instant search warrant (not likely) he has to track down YOUR internet provider and have them look up who is using a particular IP address (at a given time if it's a DSL line). Tracking you down through your Craigslist name would take longer because they have to track back through the free email accounts to an original account somewhere. That is assuming your didn't register on Craigslist with something like your SBC provided email account.

So it was either a friend who wants to watch you screw his wife and decides to screw with you or complete BS.

Locksmiths can't pick locks in 5 seconds; hackers can't get past corporate or military computer security within a minute; law enforcement and corporations have bureaucrat processes that take time.

BTW that good video ought to be shown to all high school students.

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22. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   LAST EDITED ON 06-Dec-09 AT 11:17 PM (PST)
 
>I got news for you guys. They know who you are, they know
>what websites you visit, they know what appointments you
>make. ... It just
>goes to show you that in the internet world, they can track
>you anytime they feel like it.

Hmmmm...I don't completely agree. I am reasonably sure that if you are willing to expend the time, effort, and money, you can be just about as anonymous as you want to be. I'm not sure any private individual (or country, for that matter) could go up directly against the NSA. But short of that, with the help of a couple of cipherpunk type friends, I think I could feel pretty secure against just about anyone short of the NSA, if I wanted or needed to. Which I don't.

_____________

FriscoJack

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23. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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   I don't buy that story. Within 30 mins he knew everything? No way..

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24. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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Think what you want. They guy emailed me my screen name on Redbook and told me my last name. I only communicated with him on hotmail, and also through my blackberry using the internet and going through hotmail. I've been on Redbook for years and I don't need to make up shit to get noticed.

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25. "RE: Laptops vs SFPD"
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LAST EDITED ON 18-Dec-09 AT 10:54 AM (PST)
 
drinkitdown: You are not alone!! I believe you because it happened to me, too.

just4funtonight and Jay4232: I am here to say YES THIS DOES HAPPEN as I had a similarly eerie experience as drinkitdown:

Several months ago, as one of many means of helping a friend track a family member down, I signed up for an account on a (very lame) social networking site called 'mylife.com'.

- At the time, I was at my friends house, using their computer using their internet connection/provider
- Per usual, I provided all fake info for my profile (fake name, age, gender, geographic location, etc.)
- I did not provide a phone number
- Although i might've provided one of my disposable email addresses, I did not provide an alternate email address

1. I was stunned into shock when, without warning and within minutes of signing up to 'mylife', I received a text message on my cell phone
from mylife.com indicating that my fake profile name was inviting me to join mylife.com.

( A. ATT is my cell service )
( B. ATT account is not in my name )

2. And, I received the same invitation in several of my different disposable aol email accounts.

Freaked me out BIGTIME. How the heck did mylife get my cell phone # and several of my other disposable email addresses that are set up with different and unique fake profile info?!!!

I'm slightly relieved that someone else (drinkitdown for one) has experienced this, but it still begs the question....

anyone? a lil help here...

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