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Libraboy
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"Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
 
   I've heard that the immigrants convicted of prostitution/solicitation misdemeanors will possibly not be able to renew their Green Cards when they expire, because prostitution is a CIMT (Crime involving moral turpitude). Those immigrants that don't have green cards yet will possibly face deportation after jail sentence. For the lawyers on this forum, is this true and how should immigrants deal with these issues (asides from joining VIP redbook)? The diversion program is only applicable for first-time offenders. For the hobbyists, has this ever happened to you or anyone you know of?

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1. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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I find it hard to understand why someone with so much to gain, and so much MORE to lose, would risk a green card so casually.

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2. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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   >I find it hard to understand why someone with so much to
>gain, and so much MORE to lose, would risk a green card so
>casually.

I would say it is because they don't know. DUI is in the same category, btw. Especially if it involves fatalities. That said, a green card is not "renewed" every ten years; it is reissued and no more than a document attesting to your status. If you find yourself in the above pickle it would catch up with you much earlier.

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3. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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   Yea, many of the immigrants here find it difficult to communicate to local women due to the language/culture barriers, providers might just give them the last bit of relief that they need. But for immigrants it's also more risky because CIMT's could endanger their Green Card statuses. So they really need to play it safe.

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4. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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More information from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude

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VonClitzentitz
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6. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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   There is a whole area of law where all of this is very fuzzy. I remember reading most recently about it in regards to sex tourism where a US citizen was arrested and tried Stateside for something he did outside the US in a country where it was not against the law but here it would have been.

In terms of this thread, let's assume that the foreigner in question travelling under the US visa waiver program has engaged in prostitution in a country in Europe where that is legal and so he would not be and has not been arrested for it. He could truthfully answer "no" on the form even though he committed and offense that, were he a US-citizen (and maybe even as a foreigner0 he could be tried for in the US even though the infraction occurred outside of the US as described.

Maybe the immigration form should read "have you done anything anywhere that could get you busted in the US"...

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7. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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LAST EDITED ON 18-Jan-10 AT 06:45 PM (PST)
 
The form asks are you planning to commit crimes against moral turpitude while in the U.S also as if some fool would answer yes. And I don't consider a DUI as being a crime against moral turpitude. The list also has a DUI as being a non moral turpitude crime.

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Libraboy
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8. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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   Yea, and I've heard from someone that being a provider is considered a CIMT but being a john is not...in the CIMT list it makes no distinction between the two...

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VonClitzentitz
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11. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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   >The form asks are you planning to commit crimes against
>moral turpitude while in the U.S also as if some fool would
>answer yes. And I don't consider a DUI as being a crime
>against moral turpitude. The list also has a DUI as being a
>non moral turpitude crime.

Well, I guess I stand corrected. You do know what you are talking about, right?

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12. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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Just read the list. Also I don't know how the INS decides who to deport so even though a DUI is not a crime against moral turpitude they still
might deport.

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13. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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So if I understand this right, a green card holder who gets busted as a hooker goes home but a brothel in Nevada that wants foreign imports can offer H1B status??? (It's legal therefore outside of CIMT, right?)

Okey Dokey Artichokey

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5. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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   Silly me, I thought "CIMT" stood for Cum In Mouth Twice, which should earn undocumented immigrants a Green Card, rather than result in their deportation - same goes for bonafide three-hole girls...they're in real short supply around here too!.

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9. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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   I ran this thread with interest and not that I have any answers I was just thinking how we could hold our politicians to the same standards!

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10. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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>I ran this thread with interest and not that I have any
>answers I was just thinking how we could hold our
>politicians to the same standards!
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Which ones..the ones that dont care who fucks who, or the ones that want to dictate who, how, why, and jail you for going out of bounds?

Fujiwara tofu rocks!

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14. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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If the person was convicted of prostitution, it would put a stop to the green card. If convicted of massage without a license, it may not put a stop! it depends on the law, the state and conviction! Jus wanted to add my opinion on the matter! A good immigration lawyer may help! I hear from people there are ways to get a permanent visa, but it is heresay!

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Libraboy
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15. "RE: Prostitution Chage and Immigration Status"
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   yea but they usually send you to a diversion program the first time you get charged...and using Redbook eliminates the risk by a great amount...

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