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Libraboy
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"LE bust during incall?"
 
   just curious, has any of you guys had LE bust in on you during incall, when it was not a sting and they just caught word of it from neighbors/hotel staff?

I often found that scheduling incalls for the first day of a provider's arrival at a incall location often eliminates much risk of this type...

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1. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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Never heard of that happening. Hotel staff wouldn't squeal unless the property was own by some bible-thumpers. I suppose if the place operated as a house of ill-repute, brazenly and noisily, perhaps near a school or a church, neighbors night complain.

Maybe you're just paranoid -- which of course isn't to say that it couldn't happen.

Ernie

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2. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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You can always just ask if she's an LE when you get there

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3. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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LAST EDITED ON 26-Jan-10 AT 03:26 PM (PST)
 
First off, LE can't just bust in on you in a hotel room or private home without a warrant so unless the lady or you have a felony warrant outstanding, the chances of that happening are pretty slim. Even if the neighbors or hotel staff suspected something, without any positive proof that something illegal is going on, LE probably wouldn't act on it. They could put themselves in great danger and possible legal action if they bust in on the wrong people. Also, with the manpower it requires for that type of bust, it wouldn't be worth the manpower for a possible misdemeanor arrest if it would ever go to court. So being the first or last of the day probably wouldn't make any difference.
Also asking if they are LE doesn't work, they can lie (and have) when asked that question when working undercover.
Nothing is 100% safe so just be careful, do your homework, be aware of your surroundings and most of all, know your rights.

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5. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   I recall that a warrant is not needed to search a hotel room.

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7. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   In almost all situations they DO need a warrant.

Exceptions would be if they are in pursuit and chasing someone down a hall and see that person run into a hotel room.

Other - If someone paid by credit card or check and it was later found out that the innkeeper was defrauded, LE could enter.

You have the same expectations of privacy in a Hotel Room as you do a home for the most part.....Kind of an aside, there is an Appellate Case where park rangers were required to obtain a warrant before they could go into someone's Tent in a campground (really).

L4B

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11. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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Like L4B said, they almost always need a warrant to enter, but another way they can enter is if you open the door to the room and they can see something illegal in clear view.

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13. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   OK, I guess it depends on locality.

"But in some jurisdictions, a hotel room may be searched by consent of the hotel's management without the guest's approval or a warrant.[4]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_warrant

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4. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   Actually, the first day might be highest risk. I know a guy who does security at one of the popular Burlingame incalls and he told me that every once in a while the cops set up stings. They see these girls get dropped off, no bags, and they get to the room and immediately request internet service. The cops then scour for ads, set up a date, and bust the chick. Good thing for us is that they usually aren't after the guys.

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6. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   Never had that problem since joining rb and doing my research. When I was younger and wasn't as experienced I would see some of the women at low class ghetto incalls. A few times LE would be staking out the place or come by because someone complained that there was to much traffic going in and out of the lobby or the women were making to much noise.

Just stayed with good reviewed women staying at nicer hotels and you won't have to worry much. They are more discreet about seeing someone and if you look like a normal hotel guest walking in then most of the time the staff just ignores you as you walk up to the womans room.

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8. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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LE does not need a warrant to bust into a room if they suspect illegal activity is taking place. If the hotel manager says there is a prositution happening in that room, thats reason enough

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9. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   What Commy country do you live in? Learn and know your rights or stand to lose them.

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12. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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jm_r48, that is wrong unless they have clear & positive proof that something illegal is going on in the room (another reason to avoid smoking 420 in a room with a provider), just suspecting prostitution is not enough to enter the hotel room or a house without a warrant. Seems like many around here need to learn their rights....

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10. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   I've heard stories from a couple of ladies who have been busted or near-busted and these are ladies that I consider cautious and intelligent. One was caught in a sting, so not applicable to this thread. But the other had police come to her door and ask questions. There was nothing for them to nail her, but the hotel staff terminated her stay. The primary point here is that LE doesn't have to bust your door in to engage you in a conversation and try to shake you up.

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14. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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>I often found that scheduling incalls for the first day of a
>provider's arrival at a incall location often eliminates
>much risk of this type...

You've OFTEN found this to be true? That would seem to imply that on at least one occasion you've been busted or exposed to "risk of this type." Please do tell.

Personally I think you're just being paranoid. (But that doesn't still mean they're not out to get you! ;) )

N2L

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15. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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2 years ago i was in a aamp on 20th and irving, i was there 10 minutes just starting to proceed to the main event, when all hell broke loose. the cops busted the place at the worst possible time, after i paid but before the deed. they stormed around the apt in mild disgust and i sat there in my boxers for 10 minutes in mild disgust. they took my info from my dl and sent me on my way. that aamp operation is still open at various locations, the bust that day was a minor inconvenience to them.

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16. "Ditto..."
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   sounds like my situation about 6 years ago but took about 20-30 minutes. Just sit there and be quiet. Took down (and called in) my info then let me off with a 'warning' not to come back to area (SJ) since there was no condoms, drugs etc showing illegal activities (not started) so nothing to charge me with. Place was still advertising for months after the bust.

" I've never had a 'bad' orgasm "

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17. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   This happened to me once... I went to see a provider at a decent incall, and right as we were gunna get down to business the cops come knocking at the door. From what the cop told me, they had gotten complaints from the other guests at the hotel. I guess they called her and set up an appointment right before i got there, thats how they knew she was a provider. Well they took down all my info, and let me go. They looked like they were gunna take her in, but i'm not sure what happened

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19. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   I think a lot of this is just trying to indimidate the provider, and the customers too. Many times they really have nothing but they will achieve something when the ladies are scared and leave the area. It is like whack'a'mole though, because there will be many more popping up in a mnatter of days.

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20. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   That's why I never take any ID with me to a visit.

If LE comes and asks for proof of my personal info, am I required to go to my car to give it?

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21. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   >That's why I never take any ID with me to a visit.
>If LE comes and asks for proof of my personal info, am I required to go to my car to give it?

I don't think you understand the issue; more likely you do not know what is involved. So, here goes:

You are not (!) required to carry ID but in these circumstances you would need to identify yourself to LE or, rather, they need to ascertain who you are and run a warrant check on you. So, at that point you need to produce an ID. You are also being "detained" if not already "arrested" (you would know if you are; it's quite clear. In order for you to "go to the car to give it" (nevermind "being required"...) they would either have to "release" you (in which case you could/would scram) or they would have to take you there. If that is what they do, then the car becomes part of what they can search and anything they find can be used against you. They love to do those searches because solicitation and/or loitering citations are not the easiest to make stick (as in: have the DA prosecute) but if they can add possession or illegal weapons charges to it it makes things much more interesting. Alternatively, they can take you downtown and hold you until your identity has been verified. That, depending on your circumstances, might not be the best option, either. The solution: Always (!) take your ID along. Sew it into your jacket if you want to hide it, if need be.

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22. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   If you don't have Id at any time it can be a problem. I was once a passenger and my friend got pulled over. Cops asked for id from everyone in the car, which must be a rather new development. I didn't have mine on me, in fact I had lost mine and had to get a new one. So then the guy claims that it "looked like" I was hiding drugs and wanted to search the car. No problem, no drugs as I'm not into that. Then the cops claim they can't verify my ID and that I'm full of shit , and they're taking me downtown. I say no problem as I have nothing to hide and no warrants. I answered 20 questions and then they finally let us go. So if you always have your Id then it is easy as cops love situations like this...

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25. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   A cop once asked me if he could search my car.

My answer was "No"

The cop asked me "Why"

My answer;..

" My car is clean but it might not be after you get through rearching it"

That really pissed him off but he let me go anyway.

I had my I.D. with me and had no outstanding warrants at the time

If this ever happens again I'll give him the same answer... Just to piss him off.

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23. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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If LE busts in on you and a provider during an incall, there's a VERY good chance the two of them are actually working together to run a scam on you. If that's the case, the next step is:

A. the provider leaves with your cash without having provided any services, or

B. the "cop" shakes you down for a bribe in exchange for letting you off the hook.

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24. "RE: LE bust during incall?"
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   Happened to me about a month ago. I made the mistake of asking the guy on the lobby directions to a particular building. He insisted I gave him the room number I was heading to and he called the room to check that she was expecting someone. I acted completely normal during this not wanting to arrouse suspicion.

Everything seemed fine but just as we were finishing the session she gets a call on her room phone telling her the cops were here. I high tailed it out there but spoke to her later on the phone - apparently they just asked her to leave even though they had no evidence that anything untowards was happening.

I was amazed that they would call the cops based on so little indication of anything going on. Well I learned a lesson that day - never interact with the hotel staff other than just a polite hello if they acknowledge you. Act like you know where you're going even if you don't atleast until you're out of the lobby area.

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