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POLL: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be noted? if so, in which forum?
Posted by oralio on 26-Jan-10, 06:06 PM PST
POLL ENDED: Result after a total of 56 votes

Yes 43 votes, 76%
No 13 votes, 23%

 
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oralio click here to view user rating
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1. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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LAST EDITED ON 26-Jan-10 AT 06:10 PM (PST)
 
One of the many uses of RB is to comment on providers in order to persuade them to change their behavior toward clients, ie: provide better service, be more punctual, change their location, etc. This is often done through reviews, but the subject of reviewing providers without having done sessions with them is discouraged. And Neighborhood Watch is supposed to be for ROBs.

Many providers completely blow off many of their emails and calls. This is another form of poor service, especially with emails, when all they have to do is respond with a one liner that they are not interested in seeing a particular client.

Should this be noted?

If so, how and where?

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2. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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   Oralio, I think too many of the chicks these days are playing hard to get, and only idiot guys are losing sleep and hair trying to hook up with them. Try to remember that it is your money and you call the shots. If she doesn't show any interest in earning your money, then you should just move on and find someone else who is more deserving.

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4. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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>Many providers completely blow off many of their emails and calls. This is another form of poor service, especially with emails,...

I agree with this observation. It is rather frustrating not to receive any type of response from the provider. However, some providers do receive a myriad of emails per day, and some of them have very busy schedules with other aspects of their daily live. I am thinking that maybe, if some of these providers have already a group of regulars, her base line, which will cover all her needs for the month, and she sees them periodically, then there is even less incentive to provider to potential new clients a better line of communication. Is either that or they procastinate or simply do not care...

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20. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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   Have you considered the fact that she does not want to see you? Or that you are on HER blacklist? I know providers who do not answer phone calls to people who have been rude to them on the phone or said something inappropriate.

No there's no need to note that because it could be just targeted at you. Move on already

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3. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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I used to complain at length about not getting a return call. 'Ol kmsasck used to do the same and it was ongoing.

These days, no big deal, it really isn't. I still make anywhere from just 1 call to as many as 3 and then move on. I'll try again a month or few months later.

If she isn't available, she should indicate that on her VM. Some girls only work a few days a month and just don't bother returning a call unless it's a day or two prior to being available.

Don't really see this as a major issue where it needs reporting. Might be a lack of courtesy, certainly, but nothing really noteworthy where you need a forum for reporting.

I suspect many times that a call is not returned because either a specific time frame to call back was not given (probably #1 reason).

The last thing many of the "better" girls want to do is call at a bad time for you and don't have any idea if it is OK.

Fault may also lie with the caller leaving a VM offer of 100hr when her rate is clearly 200hr. A return call would be unlikely.

Most of this could just be chalked up to a simple misunderstanding. She might not have an active Ad running that has been updated recently or taking a few days off but leaves the Classified rolling with the auto-bump and no indication that she is "unavailable" for a few days.

I'm sure there are other reasons besides just plain rudeness.

If this is something that others feel strongly about, then it would only be reasonable to give her the opportunity to reply, so the SF Bay Area Lounge would be fine it seems if Redbook gives the OK.

Wouldn't be anything suitable for a NW post IMO.

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5. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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   It is bad business not returning calls. Started last October and find a lot of non-responses to email or calls. The providers that are good at returning and answering their phone should be rewarded with our business.

It doesn't take much to update their RB ads to say they are unavailable or state they are available. Or to send an email/text say busy call again.

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6. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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   Maybe a better more respectful idea would be to note provoders that DO reply to emails.

Either way is probably unworkable though. Its probably unfair to the provider simply because no provider is going answer emails from guys with inappropriate verbage or someone she just feels iswasting her time. Thats the same type of person to complain.

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7. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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Imagine she called you back and said, "I'd like to see you but I need to spend the next hour answering all these e-mails and phone messages from guys that I don't have time to see."

She's running a business and needs to manage her time as effectively as possible. Besides, she knows from experience that a lot of guys will leave a message, dial a few more providers, and hook up with the first one who responds. She also risks your wrath if she calls back in good faith, but catches you at an awkward moment.

If she makes the appointment with you and then flakes, I would agree with you that her behavior would be hard to excuse.

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8. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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Many of you are changing the scenario.

When I wrote "providers who never return emails and/or calls"....that means a client makes several attempts to contact. Not something stalkish like 3 calls per day, but something reasonable like 4 emails in four weeks.

When you repeatedly attempt to contact a provider and get no response?

Are you supposed to ASSUME she doesn't like you?

Or ASSUME she's too busy?

Or ASSUME she's on drugs?

Or ASSUME she's irresponsible and immature?

Or ASSUME she's preoccupied with getting her PhD?

Why MUST we assume at all?

Over the years, non-hobby business models have regularly been compared to provider business models. We've often seen the lines -- "would you expect (fillintheblanks) type of business to give extras?"

If they want to enjoy the benefit of the doubt of a straight business, they should act like a straight business and answer a query.


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9. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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   This has happened to me a few times. I don't really care if she's too busy irresponsibly doing drugs while working on her PhD. i just just assume she doesn't want my business.

I've never had a problem finding a reasonable alternative when I haven't gotten a callback or email response.

Life is too short to second guess other people's motivations.
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11. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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I suspect you're annoyed for the exact same reason that a guy who makes six figures will still get pissed if he loses a quarter in the soda machine. The money is inconsequential, and there are probably ten other soda machines within spitting distance, but some guys will spend all their time and effort trying to get the soda machine to cooperate.

It doesn't matter why she didn't return calls, nor is it a predictor of what kind of luck the next guy will have. For all you know, the first few attempts may have come when her dance card was full, and every call after that just moved you farther into the "potential stalker" column. As the computer Joshua concluded in the movie WarGames, "the only winning move is not to play."

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12. "Just say NO"
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I don't understand that logic in the context of reviewing providers.

As I understand your view, then why bother with reviewing lousy service? Just move on and shut up. Am I wrong?

But you kindof support my point. If she's not answering because she's busy, then my repeated attempts to contact her SHOULD NOT put me into "potential stalker" column, because it's HER fault that I'm not getting an answer.

If she doesn't want repeated queries, a one-sentence reply would stop that cold.

Like I said about this in another thread -- she only needs answer once. After one "no," she can ignore all future queries from the stalkerish types.

Is it asking too much just to ask her to just say "no?"

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15. "RE: Just say NO"
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LAST EDITED ON 28-Jan-10 AT 07:15 PM (PST)
 
After reading all of your responses, I can see why she hasn't returned your calls. I can imagine what it must have been like for any poor girl who ever gave you your walking papers.

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16. "RE: Just say NO"
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You would be wrong. You don't see it at all.

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10. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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   It's too hard to do a "rate down" system for not returning calls simply because there are too many reasons and not all of them deserve punishment.

However, it would be great to have a "rate up" system that award providers who do return calls well.

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14. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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   IMO... just let it go and move on. I've read reviews of some providers being hard to contact, yet I may still try to contact them anyway if I find the reviews of their service to be good. If I don't get a response, I move on...no sweat...

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17. "Aye"
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   >IMO... just let it go and move on. I've read reviews of
>some providers being hard to contact, yet I may still try to
>contact them anyway if I find the reviews of their service
>to be good. If I don't get a response, I move on...no
>sweat...

Mr. lodown,

Very To the point. Furthermore, even if I do not get a callback in due time , I may just try once again later in the future, if she is still in business, of course.

Indeed, "No Sweat".

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18. "RE: Aye"
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I don't understand all the fuss. If I contact a provider and she doesn't return a call or email then I'm not going to go to any great effort to try again. There are far too many providers out there to bother with ones who either play hard to get or aren't organized/don't care to return business inquiries.

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19. "RE: Aye"
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I like turtles

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Lots of assuming about the girls. Turn it around. Why not assume you did something stupid and she put the word out on you.

Maybe you were short tempered and the 100 lb girl got scared.

Maybe you took some money back because she wouldn't let you skull fuck her for an hour.

Maybe you've cancelled on short notice or too many times.

Maybe you get a little too personal when you visit her.

Maybe you weren't as fresh as you could've been.

AND recently from a provider friend:

Maybe you were told to e-mail your references and instead have just decided to call upwards of 15 times a day bewteen the hours of 9AM-2AM - everyday for over a week now.

The point is, sometimes it's easy to point the finger away from oneself. I've always considered this to be like regular dating. Be polite, patient, clean, respectful and every other little thing you would be to a civilian. Sometimes it's just not enough for whatever reason. They usually don't tell us why in real life either. If we're ok, money is what normally makes up the difference, be it 100 extra pounds or a 40 year age difference. The headaches come from guys who think waiving enough money gives them the right to actively harass a girl or passively rape her. Dehumanizing them and making demands of, and threats to, people you don't even know the first name of.

I'm glad they are in our lives or we'd all be just jerking off to porn at our desks. Either that or banging junkies and whatever else before these younger, cleaner girls decided to be available. Radical assholes like some client Tea Baggers community making a lot of noise and giving decent clients more distraction to fight thru and a shorter tempered escort to interact with once we finally get a reply.

Just my .02

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21. "Huh?"
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I'm going to assume that your WK post wasn't directed towards me. And while I'll agree that there are some occasions when a provider justifiably doesn't get back to a hobbyist who she's had a bad experience with, the premise here was about the provider who doesn't bother to respond to initial inquiries.

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22. "RE: Huh?"
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I like turtles

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Oh, no. I just post at the bottom on threads and reply to the bottom-most reply. I was just making a generic statement about alternate perspectives.

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23. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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Nope.

As observed by others, it may be an issue with the particular monger.

I think about my behavior. Many days at work, I receive 30 phone calls and 200 emails. With that volume, it's triage. I focus on responding to communications to folks who mean most to me, i.e., long-term customers and intriguing, high-value potential long-term customers. I am a high-demand "provider" of a different sort. I will bet there is some set of RB providers with an analogous situation.

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24. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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Very well stated, Argo.

I used to work on the opposite side of the process from you, making sales cold calls. No matter how valuable a commodity I might be marketing, everyone else also had to manage their time as efficiently as possible. It never crossed my mind to blame those who didn't return my calls. The only "winning" play was to move on to the next lead.

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25. "RE: Should providers who never return emails and/or calls be note"
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LAST EDITED ON 31-Jan-10 AT 08:29 AM (PST)
 
Providers that do not return calls should be noted, as should those who do return calls.

I really don't give a shit why a provider doesn't return a call and it is not the end of my life as I know it if she doesn't. I would be nice, however, if I knew beforehand that a certain provider doesn't return calls; that way by calling I don't waste my time and, as well, that I do not bother her when she obviously does not want to be disturbed.

Truth is the providers here know that most of the pathetic losers here will be back and back again no matter how badly they are treated. For the guys who call only once or twice (myself included) they are probably a mismatch for this type of provider anyhow.

Personally, I look at the lack of response as the single best screening tool out there. If they don't respond, I consider that my clue to call someone else regardless of her reason for not responding. I may call a second time, but never, and I mean never, a third. It has worked for me so far.

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