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johnclayton click here to view user rating
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"Writing a useful review...#1"
 
Number 1: Put the total amount you paid in the review. If you don't feel like revealing what you paid, then don't post a review, because without the price the review is useless to us.

This forum is about exchanging useful information, which includes the price you paid.
- If you are embarassed that you paid too much, just tell us anyway...it is still useful information.

- Don't write "as advertised", because a provider's rates often change.

- Don't write "as agreed", which is completely useless...how the fuck are we even supposed to guess at what you agreed to?

- If you go to an AMP, don't write "$40 + tip". We want to know what you tipped her. Maybe you gave her too much and are embarassed to reveal it...if so, don't write anything.

In sum, when you write a review, state the total price you paid. If you agreed with the girl not to give out the price, then don't write a review. If you are too embarassed to write the price, that just shows what a complete weakling you are.


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1. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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Number 1: I'm in total agreement.

Number 2: Try and be accurate on her looks and body. I realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but really, everyone knows what a 10 looks like. There is just too many over inflated ratings for body and looks. If she's a BBW her body can't be a 10...or a 9...or an 8, you get my drift. Use the descriptions given in the drop down menu for each rating point and be accurate.

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2. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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   >>If she's a BBW her body can't be a 10...or a 9...or an 8, you get my drift. Use the descriptions given in the drop down menu for each rating point and be accurate.<<

I could not agree with you more! I saw a provider based on her reviews where several people gave her a 9 or 10 in looks. It turned out that this lady was way below average in looks. These folks were impressed with her service and gave her a high score everywhere. For me, it was a complete waste of time and money.

I hope reviewers would pay more attention to the drop down menu for guidance. It is fairly straightforward and would avoid misleading some of us.

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3. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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   Amen!!!

I had a couple of negative experiences where the ratings were very much out of line with the RA's looks. I can understand someone who is partial to BBWs giving an 8 rating, but 9s and 10s are really for someone special in the looks department!

Of course, I guess that there is rating inflation just as there is grade inflation. When I was in school a "C" was truly an average grade and getting an "A" required exceptional work. When my children were applying to college, it looked as if every applicant, particularly from public high schools, had a 4.0 or higher.

It seems that many reviewers feel that anything less than an 8 or 9 is an insult to the girl, so it really does pay to read the text of reviews carefully, looking for specific comments.

I guess it's a matter of O Tempora, O Mores.

Lastly, has any one noticed the tendency for Latinas to be highly rated/overrated for looks? I definitely enjoy sexy, slender Latina girls, and have had a few great experiences as well as some major disappointments. I have found the difference between ratings and reality to be surprisingly large in a number of cases, especially as far as figures are concerned. But then again, maybe it's a cultural thing...

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4. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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Stating the price YOU paid is important information. A person can spot trends in prices over the months or years and, more importantly, some Men are very good at negotiating prices. Just ask. Takes a couple seconds and all she can do is say no and then decide if she's worth the rate she posted. It isn't unusual to offer 250 for a 300hr girl and get it... If someone wants to pay the "rack" rate, go ahead. IME, some girls respect dudes that have some "gumption" and ask for a fair and reasonable rate instead of being some kind of pushover sad sack.

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5. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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Number 3: check off the "service" section. especially for those "i won't go into detail" people.

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6. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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   JC is a price conscious consumer which I am too, but there is the entry area for amount paid in the review form. Most providers explicitly list their rates in their ads so "as advertised" works for me. Only if there is a difference due to negotiation would I consider it useful in the body of the review.

For me, here are the elements a good review:

-General geographic location, so I know how far and whether it is worth considering the drive.

-Substandard facilities mention, if appropriate.

-Accurate description of appearance, in addtion to the numerical rating.

-Key aspects of the services that were provided, good or bad.

-Whether a repeat is in order.

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7. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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>... Most
>providers explicitly list their rates in their ads so "as
>advertised" works for me. Only if there is a difference due
>to negotiation would I consider it useful in the body of the
>review.

I have already determined "as advertised" is unacceptable for a several reasons (uh...they change the price, it could be an old review, it could be a "special", they could have taken down their ad, etc).

Write down the actual total price you paid, or the review is useless.

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8. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned included the length of time of the session. Personally, I wish it was a required open field next to price. So often, a lady's price may fluctuate, either due to specials, or trying new locations, testing different session lengths, etc.

Including info like if your session was a 30 minute, 45 minute, 1 hour, 3 hour session would help clarify things than wondering what they paid for and trying to guess (especially if it's not the same as the current advertised prices).

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9. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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   Everything mentioned above is extremely important. But not much was mentioned about the dropdown services. It is very important to be thorough on All of these services. The difference between an RA providing CBJ or BBBJ, or true DFK could be the difference between complete enjoyment or dissappointment for those that follow you in. Reviews should be as complete as you can make them for all of us hobbyist best enjoyment. What goes around comes around.

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11. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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   >Number 1: Put the total amount you paid in the review. If
>you don't feel like revealing what you paid, then don't post
>a review, because without the price the review is useless to
>us.


I don't really understand this. To me, listing the paid price of a session is actually one of the most useless parts of a review. Describing her services and behavior is what is useful, because that at least lets me know if I want to try seeing her at all. If she hates having her breasts sucked and never smiles, I probably won't try to see her even if she's only $50.

As has been mentioned, prices fluctuate as well. How is knowing that some guy paid $$/hr for her 6 months ago supposed to help me if she's charging $$$.5 now? Sure, I can try to negotiate, but I could try that anyway, and I don't really see how knowing her old rates are supposed to be some great bargaining chip.

On top of that, rates are about the easiest thing to determine about a provider. Most of the time it is listed right in the ad, and even if not, they'll pretty much always tell you over the phone to make sure you know how much to bring. A girl doesn't need reviews or even discussion topics for you to find out her asking price. On the other hand, knowing wether or not she offers RBGFE, or whether or not her pics are real, or how personable or enthusiastic she is, is much harder to determine, and pretty much requires you to TOFTT, or for someone else to have already done so.

I dunno, I just don't see how it could be so imperative. 100 time out of 100, if a reviewer is going to include either the price, or the details of the girls services and behavior, I'll take the latter. Every single time. The price is just too easy to get on my own, and too meaningless to how much I may or may not enjoy her company. Just about everything else a guy could say, from whether her pics are real or not, to whether she can suck like a hoover, is far, far more valuable to me.

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12. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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   LAST EDITED ON 13-Mar-10 AT 01:45 AM (PST)
 
Putting price paid is useful when doing searches. Not as important for AAMPs because price tends to remain steady and rarely changes unless the girl switches to an org whose price structure is higher or lower. Price info in a review is more useful in the MP world. The house fee usually doesn't change much although I would like to know what it is. What services you asked for and what you paid/tipped to get it is the really interesting part. And your method of negotiation is relevant also (can be quite comical).

Just put everything into the review. Saying "I was in heaven when I saw her, price was as agreed upon, service was RBGFE" tells me just about nothing. I want details ...

1) price
2) PO easy to deal with. Good directions?
3) Location/Apt easy to find?
4) Nice location or a dump
5) What area is location in (East Bay, South Bay (SJ/SC), Peninsula, SFO area). DO GIVE SPECIFIC LOCATION OR IDENTIFYING LANDMARKS.
6) RA is the girl in the pics?
7) RA resembles her pics?
8) Rate and describe her looks. DDG/GND/College Coed/Slim/Average/Thick/Fat/BBW, Ht, Wt, approx age, boob size, natural/enhanced, kitty shaved?
9) Services? DATY, FIV, FOV, BBBJ, CBJ, etc. Do not list services she doesn't normally do except for you.
10) Describe the session
11) Rate service and attitude
12) Would you repeat?
13) Do you recommend?

Just don't write a 10 page romance novel. LOL.

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14. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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   LAST EDITED ON 13-Mar-10 AT 10:39 AM (PST)
 
Just noticed a typo. I meant to say ...

DO NOT GIVE SPECIFIC LOCATION OR IDENTIFYING LANDMARKS

We do not want to help LE in anyway by helping them identify places to target with location info that is too specific. Saying "Near the xxx off of xxx expressway" or "Near where Joe's Taco truck parks" or "Near my office at corner of xxx and zzz" is getting a little too specific. Only give which section of the SF Bay area location is in. You'll get more specific location info from PO when you call.

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15. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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While I agree that putting price is a useful tool I often list "as advertised" because I caught a special that is no longer her rate.
I have never put anything more than an area location and not East Bay . South Bay etc. as that is usually in their ad even for those that are travelling. If I saw her in San Rafael and she is no longer there what does it matter? I may say that I saw her in a nice incall in .... but that's it.
Unless I'm the first reviewer the description is already given. I will indicate if something is different for instance she is imo DDG but nobody ever said that or if she is above average but everybody gives her 10's. I tend to be fairly conservative in rating looks as I think that rating is too subjective to be useful. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For every woman out there someone thinks they are the most beautiful ever.
I will list services if they seem to be her normal fare but will not list any that she has asked me not to list. That is not something I do to insure that I get that service the next time but rather to let her feel free to offer it to someone else. Believe it or not some girls do not want the world to know that they offer more. Sometimes they only offer it because they are feeling good that day and with that individual that day.
I do try in my description to accurately describe her attitude which is to me the most important item to critique. Once again I hate number ratings without a personal descriptive (canned ones don't work for me). I try to describe the services and avoid the alphabet soup acronyms. I only describe the services I received not what I have heard or what she says she offers (for instance 2 girls, if I only saw her) I always comment about if I would repeat or recommend.


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13. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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>...I don't really understand this. To me, listing the paid
>price of a session is actually one of the most useless parts
>of a review...

>... How is
>knowing that some guy paid $$/hr for her 6 months ago
>supposed to help me if she's charging $$$.5 now?...

it's called data.

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20. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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>I don't really understand this. To me, listing the paid
>price of a session is actually one of the most useless parts
>of a review. >As has been mentioned, prices fluctuate as well. How
>is knowing that some guy paid $$/hr for her 6 months ago
>supposed to help me if she's charging $$$.5 now? Sure, I can
>try to negotiate, but I could try that anyway, and I don't
>really see how knowing her old rates are supposed to be some
>great bargaining chip.

If a girl advertises at $180/hr and the review gives a 10 for service and attitude, including full gfe, an overtime session or other TGTBT elements, it might help the next guy to know the price paid was $350+tip so he doesn't expect the world for his $180.

If I catch a special rate and less than special service, that goes in the review. It lets others know not to patronize the specials.

As far as leaving service elements out because she said she only does "that" with you, how much of an idiot are you?

The only relevent thing I have left out of a review is that one provider asked me not to mention she smokes weed. Because she smelled it in my house she went back to the car and got hers and we smoked together. If I did not, she would never have revealed it.

Do I really have to ask you two more times?

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22. "case in point"
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wet_passion posts an hourly rate of $120. she has 5 reviews in 4 months. the first two reviewers paid 120 and 80(1/2 ?); cbj for both. the next three paid 200, "enough", and 250; all bbbj.

i am glad to know what she charges for what i want. even if i was willing to fork over the extra $80-130 for extra service, this might be one of the times i chose based on how much cash i had on hand. and i'd be up a creek and she would be talking that "maybe next time" shit; uh, no.


Do I really have to ask you two more times?

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16. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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   I totally agree that price is important even though some agree that putting as advertised is okay. It just says that the person is to lazy to fill everything out. I also agree that the details are important also like the place, her looks, the service etc. When I look at reviews I look at the total picture and when I see price as advertised or won't go into details the think WTF is this person so lame to not be able to give good info. I especially hate the ones that say nothing than I saw her had a great time and will see her again. To bad there isn't a default that if all the info isn't filled out then the review won't be posted. If anything thing is missing than the review will be rejected unless it is edited with all the missing data.

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17. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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   >When I look at reviews I look at the
>total picture and when I see price as advertised or won't go
>into details the think WTF is this person so lame to not be
>able to give good info.

Yeah, these are stupid. Why bother writing a review if to pussy whipped to mention details to help others.

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21. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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This review definitely needed to post the rate as she does not list her rate in her ads. The one by Afloat in case this brings all her reviews. Her rates appear to be all over the place and she apparently upsells too.

http://www.myredbook.com/showpro.aspx?id=1271252

Since it is smart to not talk rates or services on the phone I would never see her.

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23. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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I always leave a PROS/CONS bit after my review. Kind of summarizes it for those who don't wanna read all the details

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24. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but that is what it is, an opinion and at this time not a hard and fast rule. Perhaps you can get Red to set the review process/program to reject reviews with out a dollar amount price.

Obviously you are entrenched in your position and it would be a total waste of time to debate this issue with you. However, Newbies who may come across this thread may be better served by viewing previous threads on writing reviews, such as,

http://forum.myredbook.com/cgi-bin/dcforum2/dcboard.pl?az=show_thread&om=43517&forum=general&archive=#11

And

http://forum.myredbook.com/cgi-bin/dcforum2/dcboard.pl?az=show_thread&om=42359&forum=general&archive=

The review system is not perfect and it never will be. So the experienced hobbyist will look at the body of reviews for a provider and glean the information needed upon which to make a decision.

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25. "RE: Writing a useful review...#1"
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Good points Clayton...

Sound advice.

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