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studley studley rating
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"Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
 
Red requires newbies to have 100 posts before they can provide (and receive) feedback to another member. This is apparently an effort to limit fraud and misuse - eg. registering a handle just to bash another member. This seems reasonable to me.

Why isn't something similar done for reviews? Shilling and bashing of RAs by newbies and very low post count members in reviews has become an epidemic lately and IMHO severly compromised their reliability and usefulness. The motivations vary but some are clearly financial. Am I alone in this idea or would others here support a 100 post requirement or something like it before a newbie could post a review?

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worriedguy
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1. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
In response to message #0
 
   Because it's a stupid idea, I've posted over 50 reviews over the years and those would never have happen had I been required to post 100 times here. Aside from the fact that my review handle is different than forum handle !

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studley studley rating
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3. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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You offered nothing in your reply to address the problem at hand. So we would not have seen your 50 reviews since you are apparently to lazy to post establish yourself. Western civilization will survive. To throw the door wide open to allow you to do whatever you want also allows others to abuse the system. Try offering some constructive advice or maybe this is why you don't post more often.

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JimiChanga JimiChanga rating
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15. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
In response to message #1
 
   I agree with you. A lot of guys do reviews and don't post & like you (and me) my review handle is different than this handle.

Its easy enough for someone reading the review to decide if a particular reviewers review is legit.

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beaumont beaumont rating
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21. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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   What is truly stupid is the assertion that this is a "stupid idea." It may not be the best solution, and might not be viable, but at least it calls attention to, and attempts to address, what is clearly a problem with RB reviews: shills creating handles to do their thing, and providers creating handles to post reviews of themselves.

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Hideki Hideki rating
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2. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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Good point!

Hideki

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FirmWorm FirmWorm rating
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4. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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   >Why isn't something similar done for reviews?

There is currently no link between review account and forum accounts. They are on separate systems with separate account databases.

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Maxxicat Maxxicat rating
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6. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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   LAST EDITED ON 24-Apr-10 AT 08:13 AM (PST) by (moderator)
 

Can you use the alert button on the review page to have some of these reviews removed? Might be a step we can do, without RB getting involved per say?

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Hideki Hideki rating
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7. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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My rule of thumb is to ignore the first three reviews from new RAs. Shills will create multiple accounts just to promote the RAs that they have an association with.


Hideki

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rubtublover rubtublover rating
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8. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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   Hey Studley
Definitely a suggestion that is thought provoking.
I think we already have the answer via VIP membership and
this forum and here are my reasons.
I got a VIP membership when I joined RB.
It helped me tremendously when I was new here.
Even if new people would get one month of VIP it would be worth their while.
By watching the forums, I was able to see rather quickly who
was real and who were shills.
Never and I mean never do I give credence to reviewers with
lost post counts either when they are trashing someone or to
the other extent when they are overly praising someone.
Personally I think people have to look at reviews as a guide
and a guide only.
Example
If I see 10 good reviews of a RA and the reviewers are
credible people like yourself, Hideki, JHF, and AAMPFAN
(excuse me to those of you that I respect and could not
include your names) and then there is one bad review from people like my
little friend Tattoo from Fantasy Island, I would tend to
say my experience with that RA might be a good choice.
If Tattoo and that other band of Mutant Ninja Turtles give a
positive review of a RA, I treat those RA's the same as the
little man who used to come out on the Gong Show when you
got gonged!

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LickedHerPuss LickedHerPuss rating
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9. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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   How about the ability to rate reveiw handles? You know, "Rate this review."

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d6969 d6969 rating
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16. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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Rate reviews? Well there's already the "x of y people found this helpful. Did you find it helpful? (yes) (no)" thing...

I'm jus' sayin'...

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soundwave12 soundwave12 rating
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10. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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Review handle accounts are completely seperate than message board handle accounts. I have reviewed all the girls I've seen on RB. None are by soundwave12.

Some guys could be really valuable with informative, legit reviews but not want to participate in this message board jungle.

But I see your point though.

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studley studley rating
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11. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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I understand that board and review handles are not interconnected... and is whay there is a problem here. The way it stands now, there is no admittance or initiation fee or dues to pay - so to speak - in order to post a review. OTOH, you have to wait 100 posts to praise or trash another member. To me that's backwards. Reviews are far more important to the masses than a feedback. Come on. Reviews are the main reason this site exists. Yet there are NO safeguards.

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12. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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   Look, not everybody who's interested in and visits hookers is interested in yammering on about them all the time on the forums. And with your proposed requirement people who have an interest - say a financial interest - in fake reviews could easily post on the forums too. Heck, they could shill for the model here or post ads and then go post a review. What good does that do anybody?

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studley studley rating
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13. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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It would do a lot of good IMO. It takes considerable effort to post 100 times and a lot of shill handles would be discouraged from doing so to simply plug a target RA one time. It is true the professional shills will not be detered but that is a relatively small percentage of the shills involved that have a very low post count. Bottom line -making it harder to shill is not hard to do and it is a good thing for everyone (including RB) who is not a shill. I just see no impediment to it at this time.

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18. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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   You see no problem because you're not reading any of the replies!

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HighSteppermoderator HighStepper rating
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17. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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Worriedguy comments while worded rather harshly was an accurate statement and validated by other posters that you seem to want to ignore.

Talk about the tail wagging the dog. Active message board posters are a small percentage when compared to active review participants, both in writers and lurker readers.
And the issue of separate message board handle from the review handle (which was recommended) can not be addressed by your approach.

With VIP membership and some basic skill in using the VIP search options one can over come much of what your are concerned about.

I would not go so far to call your idea stupid, even though figuratively it is correct statement, but rather your idea is not feasible to implement.


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Too much sex is still not enough

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19. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
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   LAST EDITED ON 24-Apr-10 AT 03:46 PM (PST)
 
The concept of requiring minimum post count as a requirement to submit a review is BS!!!!!

First of all, you need to submit a review to become a non-VIP RB member so you can post comments. And how would having 100 or more post change anything? You could have 500 post and I will still ignore your review if your tastes are different than mine or your review is lacking in detail. Reviews, are by nature, subjective. Everyone has different tastes and priorities. And there is always YMMV. If possible, I would like to see at least 5-10 reviews to see what the consensus is. Ratings are almost useless because one man's 9 is another man's 7. And whether someone is shilling, promoting, is in post session heaven, belated procrastinator late review fuzzy details doesn't really matter. As long as what you write is the truth or is your honest opinion. That is all that really matters. If you are making up stuff, your lies will stand out because they are inconsistent with other reviews and I will ignore your review. If you feel she was a "dead fish", go ahead and say that. Hopefully she will improve. Then write a follow-up review if you give her another try.

Just write what you feel and give your honest opinion. Ignore the review police who would dismiss your review just because you have a low post count (which is completely irrelevant). If you write lies, have an agenda (good or bad), crazy, writing a romance novel with little actual info, I'll ignore your review no matter what your post count is. I'm an equal opportunity ignorer.

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studley studley rating
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20. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
In response to message #19
 
LAST EDITED ON 24-Apr-10 AT 10:09 PM (PST) by (moderator)
 
I can always count on you to take paragraphs to make a point that could easily be done in a sentence or two.

"The concept of requiring minimum post count as a requirement to submit a review is BS!!!!!"

An immature response - you can agree or disagree but theres no reason to be crass. I guess we are even now given my opening sentence.

"And how would having 100 or more post change anything?"

A posting history that one can follow gives you a chance to gauge a persons intellect, tastes, credibility, maturity, etc. A low post count tells you zip. It's a basic point you refuse to recognize. You revert back to the same tortured logic you have used before to ratioinalize shills.

"If you are making up stuff, your lies will stand out because they are inconsistent with other reviews and I will ignore your review."

The point of a minimum standard is to infuse some basis for judging early on reviews rather than having to wait until the you have a valid random sample. What's so bad about having a good read on a new provider after only one or two reviews?

"I'll ignore your review no matter what your post count is."

Fine, if you choose to believe a new or low count member feel free. I'll take the other side of that bet.

I'm curious about something. Do you think the user feedback system is "BS!!!!!"? Should we be able to rate users immediately?

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tiga
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22. "RE: Minimum Post Count Review Requirements"
In response to message #20
 
>"And how would having 100 or more post change anything?"
>
>A posting history that one can follow gives you a chance to
>gauge a persons intellect, tastes, credibility, maturity,
>etc. A low post count tells you zip. It's a basic point you
>refuse to recognize. You revert back to the same tortured
>logic you have used before to ratioinalize shills.

Except a lot of reviewers don't want their review handle connected with their message board handle, or don't even bother posting on the message board. Requiring the two handles be connected AND requiring message board participation would impair valid bad reviews and lock out reviewers who aren't interested in the message board, a worse outcome than decreasing shill reviews.

You know what works better than putting all kinds of restrictions on reviewers? The current system where we can read and analyze all reviews posted by an individual handle.

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