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PumpkinEscobar
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14-May-10, 02:27 PM (PST)
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"General question about provider reliability..."
 
   What are your experiences in terms of the reliability factor of providers? I dunno if it's just luck of the draw, or just something that's one of those "the nature of the biz" things, but I find that providers (by and large) are HORRIBLE about responding to inquiries in a timely manner, have a very high flake factor (although I think this is easier to avoid by doing thorough research), or just plain advertise services they don't even provide.

And this goes across the board, as I have seen plenty of heavily reviewed providers with lots of "flake" alerts or no-call cancels.

Are there any clear "warning signs" (aside from reviews obviously) to indicate this kind of thing?

Just curious what other users experiences are...

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oryx oryx rating
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14-May-10, 03:58 PM (PST)
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1. "RE: General question about provider reliability..."
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In my experience, some of my topmost faves have been the ones that don't run on time, hard to get hold off, terrible at responding in a timely manner, and so on and so on. At least they were like that in the beginning, and to this day continue to show more than random signs of this frustrating quality.

So why have my experiences with them seem to be the best? Because its upsides are: they are less regimented, more flexible, not scripted, and generally more genuine, just to name a few. Humans vs. robots?

True, I've had my frustrating times with them, too, to the point that I cuss up a storm on these inconsiderate, irresponsible, and self-centered little <fill in the blank>. But... oh my God, they just know how to ring my bells when we hit the sack and beyond.

Yes, if you can find a way to work with such "endearing" qualities, encounters with them are truly some of the best. Can you say, "conquering the chase"? Hey, not for everyone, right? But like I said, they seem to be the ones that have given me the best memories and I continue to want them more.

-Oryx

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xpertrod
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14-May-10, 05:57 PM (PST)
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2. "RE: General question about provider reliability..."
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   I would agree with Oryx except for the flake factor. And the service thing. So basically only with the responding to inquiries.

I prefer to set things up through email, and most don't respond in a timely manner, but when they do they are usually right on it after you start a dialogue with them. Most won't respond to RB Inbox, although some do.

But Oryx is right about them being hard to get a hold of, running late, etc., things like that, doesn't necessarily mean they will be bad at what you really want them to be good at.

Of course everyone might have a circumstance that they will have to flake so even the well reveiwed providers might have a flake or two. But probably not what you mention as "very high flake factor"

Also, no, the better or more established providers don't advertise services they don't provide.

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timvtrain1
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14-May-10, 07:00 PM (PST)
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3. "RE: General question about provider reliability..."
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   I don't bother with email or rb messaging since there are so many options here that can pick up the phone lickity split. A few I've tried to reach by phone to schedule with no luck so I just gave up on them. Another time, I arrived 15 minutes early for a session and had to call the PO 7 or 8 times before they gave me a callback, which then made it seem like I was 15 minutes late. I'm sure the RA thought I was late and gave me less than excellent service. The RA hardly spoke english so I had no way to push blame to her PO.

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pohaku pohaku rating
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14-May-10, 09:19 PM (PST)
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4. "RE: General question about provider reliability..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 14-May-10 AT 09:19 PM (PST)
 
Why not meet someone who is more mature?

30 plus with good reviews.. also read her posts in RB. You can tell a lot from her writing.

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some_guy1 some_guy1 rating
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15-May-10, 10:48 AM (PST)
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5. "RE: General question about provider reliability..."
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   >You can tell a lot from her writing.

Or the writing of the girl whose ad she ripped off. True, tends to happen less with the demographic you're targeting, but plagiarism is rampant in this game.

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15-May-10, 11:44 AM (PST)
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6. "RE: General question about provider reliability..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 15-May-10 AT 12:14 PM (PST)
 
" read her posts in RB"

I was referring to posts and responses in the various forums of RB...
NOT classified or personals. The ones without any photos.

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Aprime Aprime rating
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15-May-10, 01:49 PM (PST)
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7. "RE: General question about provider reliability..."
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LAST EDITED ON 15-May-10 AT 02:04 PM (PST)
 
Like your handle, Escobar.

Maybe I've been lucky, but over the years I've been flaked on only once. I've experienced a some waits and reschedules, but these have been balanced by the predictable and punctual.

A couple of thoughts...

I always wonder when I read a statement that says "providers are this" or "providers are that" -- as if you were purchasing a commodity from a corporate enterprise. In truth, you're dealing with individuals who have a wide range of ages, education, experiences, social backgrounds, financial situations, and personalities. Some guys seem to want a "cookie cutter" type of experience, and that's fine. For me variety is part of the fun, and the occasional disaster also leaves open the possibility of a pleasant surprise.

One thing that helps the "reliability experience" is to pay attention to the way each provider prefers to be contacted. For example, some book on the phone, others use the phone only to confirm arrivals and give directions. Some read and respond to emails and in-boxes, others ignore them. Some have a few time slots that they schedule days or weeks in advance. Others just work day to day. Most classifieds give at least a clue to the way you're most likely to be successful, and some give very specific information. The best "reliability" is usually going to go to the guys who are reading the ads and making some effort to look out for themselves.

Let's talk about responding to inquiries in a "timely manner." One of my biggest pet peeves is interrupting a session to take phone calls and answer messages. Everyone has their own definition of "timely." But if that means you're the tenth person to leave a voicemail while the lady and I are busy -- well, sorry chuck-o, you're just going to have to wait. Also, the providers I've talked to about this tell me that the majority of phone calls and emails are time-wasters -- guys who aren't really serious, want different kinds of services than she offers, j*ck off over the phone, etc. There are only so many hours in the day, and they have to be divided between secretarial duties and providing services. Unfortunately, the j*rkimers make it harder for the rest of us who really want to do business. Finally, bear in mind that providers sometimes do other things with their lives, and they may not be able to answer you while they're holding down another job, sitting in class, or taking junior to the doctor.

Okay, some providers ARE rude, disorganized, and spacey. If you see a pattern like this in the reviews, you can choose to avoid them. If you have a bad experience, don't go back. That's how it works.

I agree with the RB bros who said that reliability may have little to do with service. Thinking about two ATFs... One would never be able to see me when I arrived. So, I would always plan to spend a few minutes in a nearby coffee shop, knowing that when she was finally ready she would be prepared to give me her complete attention. The other I could time with a precision that would allow planning a visit between business appointments. My version of heaven would include both.

peas,
Aprime

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15-May-10, 02:30 PM (PST)
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8. "RE: General question about provider reliability..."
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It's mostly generational. The younger girls are the least reliable, just like with civvies. The older ones are the most reliable.

But it's not an occupation which normally attracts clockpunchers and those who crave routine and structure.

Be the change
you wish to see

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cons_man cons_man rating
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15-May-10, 03:05 PM (PST)
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9. "Reliability... by and large, is an aquired behavior pattern"
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   Usually higher education (college or grad school), real life jobs (time management required to keep the job or even better, to manage staff) help train the girl to be more responsible in her time management.

What kind of girls you go after determines your "flake" experience.

You can help stupidity, not laziness.

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Gentleman_Client
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15-May-10, 08:43 PM (PST)
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10. "RE: Reliability... by and large, is an aquired behavior pattern"
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Show me a woman who isn't fickle when it comes to being ready and on time and you'll find you have a german man in drag.

They're women, fellas - deal with it.

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metridium metridium rating
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16-May-10, 11:43 AM (PST)
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11. "RE: Reliability... by and large, is an aquired behavior pattern"
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   >Show me a woman who isn't fickle when it comes to being
>ready and on time and you'll find you have a german man in
>drag.
>
>They're women, fellas - deal with it.

LOL, if I could give this man 2 pts now, I would. They are not Stepford Wives. If you want reliabilty, make an appt with your hand.

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oryx oryx rating
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16-May-10, 12:08 PM (PST)
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12. "RE: Reliability... by and large, is an aquired behavior pattern"
In response to message #11
 
LAST EDITED ON 16-May-10 AT 12:10 PM (PST)
 
Metridium -- welcome to RB! This hobby can use more guys like you!

And Gentleman_Client, nice handle and attitude! Welcome to RB also!

-Oryx

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sjkid99 sjkid99 rating
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16-May-10, 12:58 PM (PST)
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13. "RE: General question about provider reliability..."
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   I have come across my share of flakiness even with some of the well reviewed or some of my atfs. It would drive me nuts when I set up an appointment to see someone and they would flake by not answering their phone, running late without any word, or just cancelling at the last minute. It doesn't matter if they are young or mature. You just have to have a back up plan. Everyone is human and I understand that things come up. Some of my atfs were and are the most difficult people to get a session with as they seem to always be running late, have lots of drama, or don't call back in a timely manner especially after we had set up something. I just have to be patient as the reward out weighs the drama as they are more relaxed about the session with time and what they will do. In a perfect world the welled reviewed providers would be the ones that have their shxx together and provide quality service every time.

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