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POLL: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment reaches 30%, housing falls 30% more, stock market falls 30% more, we get more natural disasters, we have financial hell on earth...
Posted by The7thStorehouse on 05-Jul-10, 08:55 PM PST
POLL ENDED: Result after a total of 69 votes

Providers will still charge their normal rates 17 votes, 24%
Providers will reduce their rates by 5-10% only 6 votes, 8%
Providers will be smarter and reduce rates a lot 46 votes, 66%

 
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1. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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LAST EDITED ON 05-Jul-10 AT 09:08 PM (PST)
 
Many women will become providers, and pussy will be cheap. Check out third world countries to see what I'm talking about.

"Will blow for a can of beans."

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2. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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   Out here in the fields
I fight for my meals
I get my back into my living
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven...

Well, maybe that song isn't exactly appropriate, but...

I think the question is extremely interesting, and something I've been pondering--on a much more elevated level, of course. I think the question is whether the Fed, et al., can keep us from tipping into absolute deflation--because we aren't there yet. Economists know what a deflationary spiral is, and it can set in very quickly and be almost impossible to emerge from in the short run, because none of the normal tools work.
If the tipping point is passed, then nearly all prices will fall, including pop (price of pussy). My prediction: until that point, prices of poon will remain flat--but service is going through the roof!

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3. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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   >Out here in the fields
>I fight for my meals
>I get my back into my living
>I don't need to fight
>To prove I'm right
>I don't need to be forgiven...

Heh. I know another verse to that that is so politically incorrect that there is no way I could post it. Regretfully.

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17. "NO! It'll always remain flat"
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   Women will never give away pussy. They know they have all the power. There's a reason why it's the oldest profession.

What may happen if we get into a deflationary spiral (depression) is that the price of EVERYTHING will go down, because nobody has any fucking money.

My kid was looking at posters from 1910 where houses were selling for $700 and remarking how cool that must have been. Yeah, sure, I replied, but you would have made $1 a week back then. So it's not that cool.

My grandfather owned a barber shop in the Second Great Depression, when haircuts were like 13 cents each or something. I think when we get to that in the Third Great Depression, pussy will still cost the equivalent of 5-10 times whatever the prevailing wage is.

There is no elasticity in the market because we are human and we NEED to fuck.

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4. "It's supply and demand."
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   Nothing more and nothing less. Being illegal distorts that, but doesn't change it.

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5. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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30% unemployment; Dow crashes 30%, real estate stumbles 30% and you are worried about pussy? hmmmm.,,,,

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6. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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   The little head is such a plugger!

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7. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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Businesses that typically survive during hard economic times....

Alcohol sales, bars and the like

Music venues, concerts, movies and other entertainment

and............guess what else?

You guessed it.

It's recession proof.

Don't believe me?

Just sit back and watch as the double-dip recession hits, unemployment rises, congress ignores the poor and needy.

I guarantee you if there are girls that are ready to LEAP from lower level pricing to mid-level or even high-level courtesan pricing, that they will do incredibly well.

People....

Get drunk

Go to shows

Get laid

all diversions from what depresses them in times of economic strife.

tra

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22. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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>30% unemployment; Dow crashes 30%, real estate stumbles 30%

http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/User_files2/a414v8k6dqk933d1.jpg

Don't worry little buddy, you can blame it on Bush!

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8. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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   Oddly enough, the opposite may happen. If income starts to slip and you cannot increase sales through advertising, contacting regulars to increase visits etc, there could be a temtation to raise prices to return income to previous levels. This would be shortsited, but it still could happen, is not unheard of.

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9. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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LAST EDITED ON 06-Jul-10 AT 08:21 AM (PST)
 
They may drop the rates but may also minus a menu item. These gals play hardball or actually blueballs.

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10. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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   LAST EDITED ON 06-Jul-10 AT 09:30 AM (PST)
 
SW prices would probably remain the same and my guess is that you'll see more of them.

For some, it won't make much difference if prices don't decline. Think of someone (just to pick names out of a hat) like Bill
Gates, Steve Jobs, or any big time hollywood celebrities. If they lose a few million here and there Would 300hr break the bank and
cause them to cut back? If an Escort has an existing client base of well to do clients the only issue will be that some Men will "wise up" and shop elsewhere for the same looks and skill set if service declines or they otherwise get bored. She'll need to be more fun and imaginative to keep that special spark going. People don't become wealthy by not recognizing good value for their $.

There are also Men who aren't going to be seriously affected by a higher unemployment. Retired gents with a good amount of savings and/or pensions are doing just fine, have homes fully paid off, kids grown, and minimal expenses.

Clearly the pool of Men who are still working and struggling to get by and already have limited income or become unemployed will cut back if things worsen, or *gasp* go out in the "real world" and actually talk to girls IN PERSON and FACE TO FACE.

In terms of P4P will the remaining pool of others be enough to sustain high rates? Probably not, or at least the existing top tier Escorts will still do fine.

We can read all day/night long about the existing unemployment rate and consumer spending... BUT ... When I saw huge ass fucking lines when the newest I-phone came out, and other dumb electronics that I personally see no real value in, you do have to wonder just how bad any situation is, or, and probably more to the point, if someone wants something bad enough they'll simply scrimp or cut out something else.

Ego and the fact that some girls think they are absolutely desireable since someone is willing to "actually" pay them will have a difficult time lowering rates until a majority of the herd starts the price reduction.

When we had "better" economic times (think go-go days of dot coms and venture capital firms sprouting like weeds on Sand Hill Road, prices didn't "increase" very much at all but remained at the average 250hr Escort rate. There were still a few saps that had no experience or knowledge and would see a horrific high rate and pay it thinking she must be good if she can advertise at that price, but that died quickly for most.

What is your view on what will happen given the scenario you described?

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11. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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   I agree with you. Actually, my original intention when posting the question was to see how many people would vote for Choice #1. I don't think it's an issue of something being recession-proof. I think it's more a value that women place on their bodies/services in spite of economic conditions. When times are good, they don't raise rates outrageously either, so that's something to acknowledge as well.

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20. "*sigh* You're making me nostalgic"
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   I miss those go-go days, when I'd just walk into a store, buy shit, put down my credit card, and never ask or look at the price.

Or when I never asked the price of pussy, would go out and buy a girl every night, 3 girls a night, crazy shit like that. I miss it, dammit. I'm not given to nostalgia in general, but those were definitely the good old days. I was young and rich and actually rather good looking in a nerdy, immature Silicon-Valley-yuppie kind of way.

I was also very desperately lonely, and kind of brimming with nervous, edgy, unsettled energy, as an old buddy of mine reminded me a while ago. I'm a lot more mellow since getting older, and since having kids too.

But what days those were.

Quite honestly if I were rich now, or if I came into a large wad of money, I'd buy sexy women all day and all night, and do little else. I can think of no greater heaven.

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12. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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   I think if things start going very bad then the majority of providers will find something else to do. And those who are left in the business will downgrade their rates but not to the point of it being dirt cheap. They will downgrade it enough to the point that we can't afford to do it everyday or every week but affordable for us to still remain in this hobby.

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13. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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   IMO, there will be so much more women entering the world of prostitution because of the fast and easy cash. Many fly by nights who offer bargain basement prices that will cause the middle to upper tier prostitutes to reconsider lowering their "elite" fees for a period of time.

The prostitutes that have a solid stable of regulars might be OK , but as the economy worsens, even they will probably be amenable to a "recession discount" for their Regs.

Good luck and enjoy,
Lance

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14. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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Keep in mind, this (escorting/FBSM) is not the primary source of income for most providers. They live with boyfriends, husbands, roommates, have jobs, or other sources of income, or a situation where they can ride the ups and downs of sex work for income. That's why the average FBSM rate has only gone down to $180 from $200 (per hour) during this Great Recession.

Now as someone pointed out in this thread, better than sex pros lowering their rate, are non-pros (single moms, students, etc...) looking for income coming out of the woodwork. I'd rather have sex with a non-pro, e.g. $200 for 2 hours, than pay a pro $200 for 1 hour (normal rate $300) any day!!!!


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15. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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   No matter how bad things get prices will always stay the same if not go higher. You're not talking about some retail business here, this is the whoring business. There will always be guys that pay the top dollar for top pussy and want it to stay that way to keep away the riff raff, they think they are supporting their own private harem or something. And on top of that they hype shit up even more by telling the providers they should be charging a lot more because their looks dictate that. Men want to all feel important, like the boss man, whore saving VIP. I'm not like that, but those who are would never admit to it.

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16. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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Survival of the sexiest.

Life is a box of expensive chocolates!

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19. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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   I think everyone needs to go back to Economics 101:

Price is a function of Supply and Demand. Do you remember those curves in Freshman Micro where the Supply and Demand Curves shift in and out along the X axis based on underlying changes? And the intersect point would give you Price?

Well, imho, there is no reason to assume that Price Discovery is any different with the world's oldest profession?

Looking at Demand first, you could argue that in a period of sharp economic downturn, coupled with asset price declines (e.g. zero to negative inflation), there would be a reduction in the quantity of prospective users of RA services and the amount of disposable income they can commit to this passtime. What the correlation between these two factors and overall demand would be is hard to estimate (what a fascinating topic for a Ph.D thesis in economics!), but I readily accept the notion that demand would decline at a slower rate than overall economic activity. So you shift the Demand curve a little to the left...

Supply is the big difference here, imho, especially in this day and age of the internet, which allows not only much more efficient price discovery, but makes it so much easier (and less risky) for the provider to establish contact with the client. What I would foresee happening is a large new supply of non/semi pros using the internet to access a needed source of additional cash. From university students whose grants and loans are reduced, to struggling young adults, to mothers/housewives desperate to make the mortgage or medical payments, I believe that Supply would increase materially, and that many of these new entrants would be happy to on an infrequent basis (e.g. once or twice a week) and earn a couple of hundred dollars for 2-3 hours. They would constitute a significant source of new supply prepared to offer a product of variable quality (great to dreadful) at a significantly below market rate. And the internet makes it so much easier for them to access prospective clients. IMHO. many would not even bother with RB type sites, but would head for the SugarDaddy type sites, which would allow them a "go slow" start where they can meet prospects before committing to anything and then set up a relationship and schedule as it suits them. After all, they probably would be more than happy to net $1,500-$2,000 a month for two or three weekly appointments.

I therefore see a very considerable increase in supply, some of which would be providing at a high quality of service (SBs tend to have a lot less "rules" than RAs), which would materially fulfill demand from middle to upper echelon buyers. So there would be a significant shift in the Supply Curve to the left, thereby setting Price (the intersection of the Supply and Demand curves) at a lower point.

Ah! Supply Side Economics! If only Laffer and his gang had written a treatise on this particular market...

And fwiw, I have found that there are some wonderful SBs out there who provide both outstanding value for money and a great service. I fully accept that SBs aren't everyone's cup of tea, but remember, all you have to do is take some reaosnable amount (15%-30%?) of the demand out of the market to watch price move seriously downward (for those who haven't been watching the Real Estate Market for the past three years).

Anyway, my two cents worth...


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21. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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I thought we were already there...???
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23. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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   As fewer mongers can afford to pay the prevailing rates and the girls get fewer calls of course prices will go down. As someone previously stated, check out the prices in 3'd world countries. Prices already have gone down, especially among the new girls (it's psychologically harder for established providers to accept less than before), and it seems like any girl I've ever been with is now calling me to drum up business, even on weekends, which can't be a sign that business is good for them. Better that the economy booms and we all make more and can afford to pay more, but not counting on it.

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24. "Interesting thread ..."
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   While I think it’s unlikely that unemployment would hold at 30% or that the stock market would sink another 30% (not counting short-term spikes), I do think it’s possible that California real estate could decline 30% (in terms of real purchasing power) – those of us who have lived here for over 40 years realize how long home prices have outstripped incomes, up to unsustainable levels; and now that all the Baby Boomers are retiring and downsizing from auto-centric houses in the suburbs, there’s plenty of room for California real estate prices to decline ... and that’s not even considering the possible impact of a big earthquake, since lots of California homeowners/mortgage-holders lack sufficient earthquake insurance.

That said, prostitutes pricing would definitely decrease in such a Depression situation as outlined in the original post, since ego gives way to considerations of pure survival.

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25. "RE: Say things get so bad, I mean EXTREMELY, such as unemployment"
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If things get that bad it could be total anarchy and pussy might be the last thing on your mind well maybe not, I'm sure it will rank right behind getting food in your belly.
So things won't change much, with no money the priorities will be food and pussy and the women will fuck for food instead of cash can't wait to see how that changes attitudes...LMAO

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