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johnnyachan
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18-Jul-10, 01:58 AM (PST)
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"How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught?"
 
This question is geared towards married guys who partake on the side. I recently marked my 3rd anniversary of seeing AMP/AAMP providers about once a week, with a rotating set of ATFs who I see regularly. I've also been married now for over 10 years with young kids.

The reason why I am asking is because I seem to be taking more risks as I plunge deeper into this hobby. For example, I frequently get text messages from RAs on my cell phone. I've also been spending more money on RAs, which is now making itself apparent with our diminishing savings rate. Sometimes, I've even left my computer on at home with Redbook on the monitor by accident. Once or twice, I've left a session and have bumped into someone I know within a block of the AMP/AAMP.

No, I'm not trying to get caught, but I think my little head has taken over my big head, and so I'm trying to force myself to be a bit more careful with my indiscretions, which I think might someday lead to a divorce (which I don't desire for the sake of my children, in particular). I would appreciate hearing your stories and rationale for continuing both with your marriages and mongering simultaneously. Serious responses, and no flaming, please.

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redball redball rating
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1. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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   Johnny,

I think it prudent that you also consider listening to those whose lives aren't marked with exactly the same status as yourself; perspective from the outside in, so to speak. I've never been married and have no children to my knowledge. The reason is that I knew early on that I wasn't husband material insofar as fidelity was concerned. Notwithstanding the relationship aspect with women (i.e. girlfriend, mistress, RA, employee, fellow student, etc.), the opportunities were abundant for a fortunate number of years and I never would have been faithful, so for a long time I didn't view marriage as a viable long term/life commitment for a long time.

The tradeoff isn't horrible at this point but if I had to do all over again, I would have married and started a family when I was 40-45, knowing still that I might not have been exactly ready though infinitely more so than in the previous 20 years. Therein lies the rub...

I probably still would have taken some risk of getting caught but I hope I would have been more aware of my behaviors than you seem to be about yours and therefore, much more discreet. First and foremost, don't doubt for a moment that if your choices lead to a divorce, your children will eventually and perhaps immediately, be informed by their mother as to the reasons why and forgiveness might not be forthcoming. That's a possible heavy punishment for you to consider; how your children will forever think about you.

Now for the central issue as I sense it. As you suggest, you're not desiring the consequences of getting caught but your cute euphemism about the little head is probably camouflaging a brutally honest assessment - that you're getting or already are obsessed with seeing RAs; obsessed being the operative term. That emotional state is displacing other modes of thought and admittedly, putting your family relationship at risk.

There's always a chance of getting caught but from what you've described, something has significantly promoted that probability and as a first approximation, you should figure out how to scale back your immersion in this extracurricular activity. If you have the resources and I'm guessing you do, I think you should seek help from someone who's trained in the evaluation and discussion of these matters. The umbrella term is EAP for those who have access via employer sponsored health care benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_assistance_programs

All the best.



__________
Rompe Palle

P.S. Who's your ATF?

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8. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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>...I think it prudent that you also consider listening to those
>whose lives aren't marked with exactly the same status as
>yourself; perspective from the outside in, so to speak. I've
>never been married and have no children to my knowledge...

Dear Redball,

In the past I have agreed with your posts and admired your writing; however, in this case, you're really talking out of your ass. Being married with a family is one of those life experiences, like sailing across the ocean alone, or giving birth (I imagine)that you simply can not understand, or about which you can not give meaningful advice, unless you have experienced it. I'm not saying your advice is wrong per se, it's simply irrelevant.

My long time married with family friends will never, ever comment on another person's marriage or kids...and yet my unmarried friends and relatives will. I suppose my point is, you can sit there and think about his situation, and imagine what it's like, but unless you're married and have kids, you can't possibly know. I have been married for many years, have grown up children, have experienced the of the same phases in hobbying as johnnyachan; however, I would never believe I could offer him useful advice.

Hold the phone. Take that back. This to johnnyachan: Yo! Try and keep your shit together. Don't waste all your money. And remember to keep flossing your teeth.

"Tell your sister to come down quick..."

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minstrel69 minstrel69 rating
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2. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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You are dealing with this pretty reclessly... If you don't use a hobby phone I would invest in a prepaid, deal in cash, don't be so cavalier about leaving Red Book on the computer, wipe your internet history after each session, apparently there is no guilt.

I have been hobbying long before I met the wife. I stopped for awhile after we got together but when the chemistry changed I started to hobby again. I started hobbying about 40 years ago... I should retire but still feel a strong libido.

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3. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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>
>No, I'm not trying to get caught

yes you are. imagine yourself doing something shameful. you would wipe your computer each and every time and go to extra lengths to hide the money etc. you are mad at your wife and want to rub her nose in it.

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4. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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Not sure you're trying to get caught because when I was married and well into this scene and started taking more risks too it seemed that I was just getting overconfident and believed she was so clueless that I really WAS Supaman!

Didn't get caught, but there were comments about becoming emotionally connected to other women and the constantly working late and all led to accusations of "leading a double life" etc.

DO know that you're risking lots more than I was as there weren't children involved and I knew the relationship was dead just hadn't actually been buried yet, so I didn't feel like I was risking a lot.

You are.

Get a grip on the reality that as has been pointed out here already, if/WHEN you are caught and it all blows up your children will know and resent what you did that destroyed the family they were growing up in. Good luck even having a relationship with your children at that point and just forget about ever earning their trust back.

It's not about keeping your relationship with their mother going or pretending that your primary relationship is better than it is, that's pretty clear it's got serious flaws that have gotten you to the serious pursuits of other ladies.

And, it's really not a question of whether you want to or can get psychoanalyzed to figure out your risk taking behavior, IMHO, it's really about the exposure you've created with potential life long consequences for you and your relationship with the children. And, as long as they're minors, the ongoing contact with their mother if the marriage ends because you'll likely share some joint physical and legal custody arrangement.

For me, there's not a lot of deep introspection or professional insight required -- the attention of lovely ladies who treat me with 100% positive feedback far exceeded the marriage that was failing.

Bottom line: Keep going down the road you're on with the patterns you've shared here including risk taking that's nearly mind blowing to consider and the real possibility is you're gonna live with a lifetime of regret, as will your children. Best thing you've got going for you is you've not only noticed your own bad choices of risk taking but have really admitted it and now it's just a choice of whether to change it.

Good luck in sorting out how you wanna proceed, it's a bitch.

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johnnyachan
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5. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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I appreciate every one of you who took the time to write and provide responses. Everything thing you've all said is true. I need to seriously reassess where my life is headed, and perhaps even seek professional help. You guys are great...

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jockitch9
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7. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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   Perhaps look at OCD medication for a while. I caught my addiction early enough and keep it to no more than six times a year. Don't let it get out of control, establish some boundries but 100% abstinence will not work. I credit amping to saving my marriage. i would be divorced by now without this outlet. But don't let it take over.

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22. "RE:perhaps seek professional help"
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   Get a cognitive behavioral therapist.

Preferably one who is a compassionate Asian female.

You may get extras!

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RickVanWolford RickVanWolford rating
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6. "Been at it since mid-80's."
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So, over 20 years of chasing escorts. But, only during periods of time when I have been unmarried & single (such as recent years).

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9. "RE: Been at it since mid-80's."
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   I was married for almost twenty years, never hobbied or cheated on my spouse. Got divorced and now know the damage that that can do to children, which should be the main focus of your concern. So with the experience of marriage and divorce I think Redball's advice is the best you could've gotten from anybody, go get Professional Advice, your children are worth it, just the chance of the damgage of your getting caught could cause is not worth getting laid over. Everyone says their children come first but only actions really count.

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clavin
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10. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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Hi johnny,
I think you have issues and per others get some professional help. I my experiance you dont do stupid things unless you want to be caught I my life a a monger before and after was married IF you think you are doing wrong you will make mistakes and will get caught if you do not think this is a issues you would close you bowser and would have a hobbie phone hidden away and do things to be sure you are not but you dont so get help before you blow your marragie up which it seems you want

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11. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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Been mongering for 30 years, married for 20.

Worst problem was when I caught crabs. She really doubted my story, but what was she gonna do?

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johnclayton johnclayton rating
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12. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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>
>Been mongering for 30 years, married for 20.
>
>Worst problem was when I caught crabs. She really doubted my
>story, but what was she gonna do?

Well, here's a true story...I caught crabs from a guy! I was living in the tropics and he was helping with putting up some big timbers on a barn...we rubbed hairy bellies, and ... feel free to use that as an excuse.

Thank god my mother was dead already or it would have killed her!

"Tell your sister to come down
quick..."

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16. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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LAST EDITED ON 19-Jul-10 AT 01:21 PM (PST)
 
Or you got them from a towel at the gym.

22 years, married or living with someone through 16 of that, never been caught, never brought any bugs home.

Original poster: good luck. If you decide to stop seeing pros I applaud you--it is addictive, but people can and do beat addiction of all kinds. If you decide to keep enjoying pay-for-play, please be more discreet. Getting caught is bad of all of us who fly under the radar, as it brings more attention to that which we want to keep hidden. Beside, every time a monger is busted God kills a kitten.

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13. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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23 long and satisfying years. Haven't made any silly mistakes like thoose you mention.

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14. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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   OK, here's unsolicited advice.

Get your act together. . . . NOW.

You are playing like an idiot that WANTS to get caught.

Divorce will cost you 50% of everything that you own. You will most likely be hit for spousal support for 5 years and child support until the kids are 18.

At best you will get 50% custody. At worst you will get every other weekend.

Your take home income will decrease by about 75%.

Figure out if you will be able to visit AAMP and eat anything other than instant noodles on that.

I was never caught hobbying. My wife and I divorced 5 years into the marriage. I actually caught her having an affair because she was too stupid to cover her tracks (IM conversations, cellphone bills, etc.)

It doesn't take much to figure it out. Only a suspicion and a cellphone bill. From now or before you were smart enough to get a hobby phone.

DaiLun


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15. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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   Hey Jonny,

Funny how you pretty much described my exact circumstance. I was also finding that I was getting too careless in covering my tracks. Plus the stress of working, managing a family with kids and multiple girls on the sides either made me careless or I just didn't care anymore.

Luckily I pulled my head out of my ass and have seemed to cut down on my hobbying. It was getting to the point of 4-5 girls a week. It's addictive and sometimes I can't my actions other than saying "the little head did the thinking".

Sit down buddy, re-evaluate your life, career, marriage and kids. Then realize that you will get caught, it's not a matter of "if" but "when" or you will bring something home to her and just how will you feel when that happens?

If you find you can't make due without the mongering, I suggest you go the sugarbaby route. Less exposure to some of the nasties floating out there and you can maybe wean yourself off the ladies (and hopefully all their dramas) here on RB.

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17. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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You'll get caught soon. I think the secret is changing up your m.o..
You're so consitent. Its just a matter of time.
So do you wanna go down further...or do you wanna say,"That was a great escape for 3 years but its not worth losing everything"

Or even once every 6 mos...3 mos.

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18. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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LAST EDITED ON 19-Jul-10 AT 06:51 PM (PST)
 
MOFO .. its much more fun to pull your fist out of an ass .. than your head .. just sayin...

anyhow .. I did all that stuff.. the wife pretty much knows all.. She found the classifieds on the puter .. she's been called by providers.. with fairly detailed discussions... and we have talked about it.. first cut was .. kinda military like .. dont ask dont tell... carry on ...

The second cut was actually me asking for divorce.. which has led to much discussion... and really probably a much closer marriage... I guess I am still "loose in the saddle" ... soo s to speak but I dont think anything has improved my home situation more than me be very honest about the good and bad things about the marriage... no matter what happens --- she is a pretty amazing woman to calmly get through all this shit..

hell even got to the point of bringing a few toys in the bedroom.. (after a 15 year "hiatus for toys") nothing like a rabbit vibrator for mothers day. lol ... hell I got thanked three times before I got it outta the box ... A year ago I would a got a very different reaction ... things seem to be getting back closer to pre baby days for this old dawg..

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19. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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   get a hobby only phone, Never sign in at home because this info is still stored unless you delette your cookies, and its safer to vist providers near your work, rather than your home, .... basic principles are t set guidelines to how and when you hobby, and you should be ok

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20. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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   There's alot of great advice and great input(good job brothers).My two cents is to say that you could try putting yourself in her shoes to see another side of it.

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21. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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   I've never made those kinds of mistakes. Sounds like you want to get caught, regardless that you consciously don't want to be caught. Sounds like one of those subconscious cry for help things. The child who craves attention may resort to naughty behavior if that's the most reliable way of attracting it.

Do you need attention?

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23. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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   Your post made me think of where I'm at as well, and drop my lurk mode
for a brief spell I'll never quit because I'm a sex-driven animal and there's
no better way for me to get sex. Wifey doesn't do nearly enough and this
way I get satisfied and move on.

You say you want to be more careful with indiscretions-- I've read somewhere
thats the wrong way of thinking to effect change. Don't punish yourself
for failing, instead change your own rules so you have a better chance of
succeeding in not getting caught.... so get a hobby phone!!

It sounds like you're getting some reinforcement while hobbying riskily.
Try substituting a different risky behavior, like leaving open slightly kinky
porn sites in order to get caught or going to a video booth or trying ecstasy
or jacking off in rooms you shouldn't. This may sound nuts to you but its the kind
of shit that feeds my demon.

Also it sounds like one AMP and the RAs there may be sucking you in too
deep. Cut yourself off from the AMP for a while, and substitute with some
escorts, maybe even below your normal choice for looks (which may dampen
your mood for the whole hobby for a while).

Set aside cash on a regular basis. Put $20 or $40 or $60 in a hidden envelope or
a book every time you get cash but no more than once a week. Being able to
swing by the ATM, get every cent you need to blow your load is just too much
temptation? Maybe even save up for a high class experience...

Finally, may I recommend combining porn + lotion when cruising redbook? This
one tip has saved me thousands!!!

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24. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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   I've been caught more than once.

You have to be a fucking spy 24/7 when it comes down to it. All of the best practices everyone preaches here (myself included) no matter what, if you do it long enough you will make a mistake.

What's more important is when you make a mistake does your SO find it.... It comes down to a numbers game.

I'm not going to even go into the details of how to avoid getting caught. use the search for that but if you do it long enough you will screw up.

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25. "RE: How long have you mongered without (or before) getting caught"
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   Married 30 yrs, hobbying last 15.
Wish I had the spare bucks to partake on a weekly basis - am almost envious.
That said - as others have observed:
> pre-paid phone
> wipe off web brower history
> pick hrs when the SO is busy or at work
> always have pre-packaged excuses like, you gonna believe me or your lying eyes!

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