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   If you log on to the internet on your laptop through your company's wireless network, can they monitor your e-mail activity? Can they "see" your computer while you are connected?

Please translate your answers from geek to geezer. Thanks for taking the time to help.

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1. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   They "can" do all of the above if they want to. The question you need to ask yourself is "are" they looking at your online activity? Probably a safe assumption that they are and you shouldn't use their equipment to play.

I know as an employer with an IT department, I have the ability to see any web site my employees visit, but rarely do unless I suspect an employee is spending more time online than working. Really paranoid employers will use key loggers and can see every word you type.

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2. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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I would also point out that you do not have the right to privacy if you are using your company's computer or their Internet connection. They can watch and record if they want to. You only have a right to privacy when you are at home using your own computer, so that is where you should look at web sites like this. I would never visit this site at work, not even for one second.

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3. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   Hey Monger,

Quick ? regarding able to see online activity

How under the radar is InPrivate browsing say with windows is it completely trailess and could this be a way for him not to get caught

TIA

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4. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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"InPrivate" browsing may vary slightly by browser ("InPrivate" I think is Microsoft's term, Google Chrome has "Incognito")

InPrivate means that there won't be anything deliberately stored on the computer to track what you've been doing.

But there's still plenty of ways to track what's going on.

The most obvious in the corporate network would be what are called "proxy servers" as well as all the other network gadgets that come between the computer you're using and the porn, escorts, or whatever on the other end. These gadgets, proxy servers in particular, can be programed to track you.

Personally, what I used to do in the late 90's (having seen dudes get fired with extreme prejudice for downloading shitloads of porn) was if I wanted to cruise escort sites or whatever, I'd go use a relatively anonymous lab computer (I had access) without any login traceable to me.

More recently, having good network access in a number of ways, I hardly ever risk an ignominious dismissal at a job site/workplace. At one job site a couple of years ago, there was NO network access without a specific, traceable login - I was offsite often at a free public wi-fi huntin' down redbook babes

Having said all that scary shit, it's kind of up to the user to decide how the risk/reward ratio plays out.

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6. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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The basic moral of the story here kids, is DO NOT use the company's T1 or whatever line they may have for internet.
Go buy a frekkin PC card or USB card and surf to your heart's content on your laptop. Geez, I even use my smartphone nowadays to quickly browse the net. And on my laptop, I can even hide that sucker underneath my desk if I wanted to. That way, nobody knows WTF I'm doing at all, period!

Why risk your job and let the IT guys help you get you fired?

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21. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   Uh - remember how the NSA was cloning/copying electronic data incoming into the U.S. at national data trunks?

That's what happens with the IT security guys/gals at MNCs. If you log on accidentally (once) to a porn site, that may put you on a watch list but it's a good thing to use your paycheck to do your shit on your own ISP and IP address.

Incognito/Inprivate is client side (your local PC/MAC) settings for your browser. Handy for hiding stuff from nosy wives and girlfriends, but not from anything outside of that.

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5. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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You can always make use of Starbucks two free hours during your lunch. Unless of course they block "adult related" sites.

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13. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   I'm at Starbucks now reading this, so no, no blocking here!

Also, the policy has changed to 24x7 free WiFi -- the two hour limit has been lifted, with no purchase required!

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22. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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i was at safeway(one of the bigger one's)today and noticed that they had some wi-fi signal going on inside... didnt bother to hook up on it since my smart phone has a very good 3G signal anywhere and i didnt wanna interrupt the music i had going on with XM
and about the starbucks wi-fi, if you have an AT&T account, it lets you use your username and password for their signal at starbucks too! the only thing that bugs me about it is that you always have to go thru the starbucks "gateway" to gain access, each and everytime

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7. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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LAST EDITED ON 22-Jul-10 AT 09:56 AM (PST)
 
A past co-worker of mine had a legitimate beef with the company and ended up suing them. When he was being deposed they brought out all his past emails and questioned him relentlessly on his "hobby" related emails. When he got a letter saying preserve your home computer files and those of your wife as well, he bailed.

Ps: I'd be surprised if they could acces your yahoo emails. They would probably only be able to tell that you spent a lot of time on Yahoo.

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8. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   Get an iPhone and disable wifi.

Your employer can and will log all traffic from wifi or regular LAN (wired).

The safest by far, is a 3G smart phone with good internet browsing.

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23. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   Or an IPad and disable wifi... The IPad make the viewing experience a lot better.

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9. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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It depends on your email provider and your means of accessing your email. Are you accessing your email via your web browser, or are you using a dedicated email program like Microsoft Outlook? In either case, your connection to your email content may or may not be encrypted. They key here is encryption.

For example, Gmail encrypts your connection, while Yahoo mail does not -- that is, if I'm monitoring your company's local network or gateway, I can capture the contents of the latter, but not the former (it will be unreadable to me).

If you're using a dedicated email program like Outlook, then it depends on whether or not it's configured to use secure protocols (pop3s, imaps) or insecure (pop, imap).

I would generally assume your email is not secure. The easiest thing to do would be to set up an account with secured web access and use that for things you don't want your company to see (Gmail is a good solution there).

Also, this is your personal laptop, or company provided?

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10. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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If the I.T. department or person in charge of network security at your company does not know what he is doing, but just posing as someone who does, chances are, you will not be detected at all.

However, if they know what they are doing, they ought to protect the network. So, since you do not wish to get technical about it, the short answer is, yes, it is possible for them, but it is not trivial.

Hence, the best recommendation is, do not risk it.

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11. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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They can and do track your use. It's their system.

If you want to browse privately (at work, at home, or on the road) get a wireless broadband modem of your own. Verizon, AT&T - plenty of wireless carriers offer them. You log onto your own access point and nobody but you knows where you are going...

"Wow, it's really warm in there..."

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12. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   LAST EDITED ON 22-Jul-10 AT 01:23 PM (PST)
 
>>Please translate your answers from geek to geezer.<<

You're focusing on the wrong thing. Anything done on the company network is considered company property. It does not matter if you use the company computer or your own. Using your own can be viewed as trespassing.

Can they monitor your activity, regardless of device? YES
• Will they? Irrelevent
Can they "see" your computer while you are connected? Probably
• Will they? Probably not, unless they flag sites.
• Will they check the logs if/when aksed? Absolutely

From a company perspective, it's not so much about the productivity of employee use (misuse) of the internet. While that is pertinent, it is more important that they limit liability. On that level, companies will track DNS IDs, emails (regardless if the company mail or internet POP mail accounts on sites like hotmail/gmail/yahoo and the like), banking, shopping or anything else that takes place on their network. To protect themselves they use keystroke capture and any other tool at their disposal to keep the company out of court.

So the things to keep in mind.
• The company network is company property.
• The use of your personal computer on company property becomes company property, by default (or at least until your can win in court).
• If you use the company network for things not company related, it's grounds for "cause".
IOWs, using the company network to use rb from your personal laptop is the same thing as using the company phone to book an rb appointment.

If you want to be somewhat anonymous, take your laptop to Panera (or the library). BTW: They monitor too but you won't get fired.

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14. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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let me help you out.

1. all computer access at work is company property.

2. if they have an internet use policy. follow it to the letter.

3. do not use the net at work for private use.

4. a manager at my work got fired for his internet use. he was found to be running an internet porn site from work. meanwhile his work was not getting done.

5. he only got found out when they tried to change out his computer. and found a "server" in his office.

be careful. use your own computer or phone. not company assets.

your phone is "your" property. use it on "your" time, lunch or breaks. not on their time.

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15. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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Yes! .. If you are connected to your company's VPN .. they can track you! In fact, my company has terminated a few folks for looking at inapproriate material on the internet.

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16. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   This link may help clarify the issue for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_analyzer

They can sniff and they can log what they sniff. Even low level network folks can do this with ease.

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17. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   I appreciate all the good input. Let me make it a bit more specific.

I am having an online relationship with a woman, and we're exchanging rather graphic e-mails. She is accessing them at work on her personal laptop, which I'm assuming can only be done off of the company's internet connection. Her e-mail is through gmail. Mine is through yahoo. I can create a gmail account if that helps. She is in London. I'm not concerned about the company seeing what websites are visited. Can they read the e-mails and can they look into her computer to see old e-mails or other files?

My understanding from the above replies is that the company would be able to see the e-mails, although it would not be easy and would not generally be done. The company would not be able to search her computer files, only observe the activity done through their connection.

Please comment on my understanding and correct as necessary.

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18. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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LAST EDITED ON 23-Jul-10 AT 12:11 PM (PST)
 
Her company would not be able to casually read emails transmitted over her network as she's using Gmail. Your company could fairly easily detect your traffic (text and pictures in particular) using commonly available software if they were so inclined as you're using Yahoo. If you're concerned, get a gmail account yourself, and your network privacy is essentially secured all the way around for the purposes of trading correspondence between you and her.

Now, GOOGLE (and Yahoo) can (an does) read your email (not personally, but by robots in bulk in an effort to support their revenue model) and they could also turn your email over to authorities if so ordered by a court.

Additionally, your companies could seize your laptops and apply forensic techniques to find traces of your emails cached locally to your computers' hard drives. This would not be a simple or casual operation and you'd really need to be targeted specifically if they were going to expend those sorts of resources. You could make it harder for them if you both regularly erased your browser cache (private data or whatever your browser calls it). I still doubt they would bother even if you didn't.

So, unless you're being targeted for a serious crime (child sex abuse, murder, threat to national security), I don't think you have anything to worry about if you switch to a secure connection on your end (switch to gmail).

** Disclaimer **

It's within the realm of very remote possibility that your companies could have gone to extreme measures to violate your privacy (they're running key logger on your laptop, they've installed bogus SSL certs and they're spoofing web and mail servers and intercepting and manipulating data, their Gibson 9000 can crack 128 bit SSL, etc.), but this is extremely improbable. Extremely.

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19. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   If you are using email accounts like Gmail and Yahoo your company will not have access to them. Just don’t save the contents of any emails to your local computer. Just a word of advice to all, never use your company email address for explicit emails. The reason being, the email will be stored in a minimum of four different locations, your computer, the companies email server, her computer and her company email server. Most large companies are required to keep a backup of all emails correspondences for up to six months.


I'll B BACK!

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20. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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Too much risk to lose your job, that is, if you value it. Just get an iphone or smartphone and use your own internet. Keep it simple.
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24. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   If one uses Windows Remote Desktop Connection at work to log into your home computer to access RB, can the IT guys tell if you are on RB?

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25. "RE: E-Mail at work"
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   If you are using a company PC or company network in any way,shape, or form, ASSUME that NOTHING you do is 100% private! Anything and everything can be discovered if your IT security folks put their minds to it.

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