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"Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 30-Jul-10 AT 04:49 PM (PST)
 
Why are hobbyists called "Johns" ?? Where did that came from? Is it because every hobbyists like to use "John" as a fake name?

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1. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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John? I'm more interested in the British term "punter"!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution

"The customers of prostitutes are known as johns or tricks in North America and punters in the British Isles. These slang terms are used among both prostitutes and law enforcement for persons who solicit prostitutes.[4] The term john may have originated from the customer practice of giving their name as "John", a common name in English-speaking countries, in an effort to maintain anonymity. In some places, men who drive around red-light districts for the purpose of soliciting prostitutes are also known as kerb crawlers."
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2. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   Punter = gambler

Gamblers punting their cash away.

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3. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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'Punter' I think is an informal name for all customers, no matter what the field. You wouldn't refer to the customer as as a punter to his face, but refer to customers as 'punters' amongst your fellow co-workers.

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4. "Hi...."
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My name is John.

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5. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   Are hobbyists from Jasper, Wyoming called Jasper Johns?

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6. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   "John" is a politer form of "trick". Just like "hooker" is a politer form of "whore". Yeah, probably came from the tendency for many mongers to be "John Smith".

Punter, by the way, can mean gambler or monger in England. Or so I remember from my time in London.


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7. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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>Just like "hooker" is a politer form of "whore".

Unfortunately, the PC police in here still think it's a "rough" word to use, to call their whores.
My God! There's so many of you PL's in here that put that pussy on a pedestal. Let's call it what it is, and OMG, most of the things said in here isnt done in hate. We love our whores! Why so many of you boyscouts see it as a a negative thing? I don't know why.


Urban legend has "John" as a #2 definition:
• 2. john *4526 up, *3160 down
buy john mugs, tshirts and magnetsa person who uses the services of a prostitute
Police ran a sting on the newcomer johns at the whorehouse

and Hooker:
• 1. hooker *1055 up, *182 down
buy hooker mugs, tshirts and magnetsprostitute. started in the civil war When Gen.Hooker of the Union Army (the first pimp) tried to protect his troops from VD by buying the best chicks and pimping them to his corps of 20,000 men. orginally hooker's girls.
hooker is the pimp of hookers.

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11. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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>Unfortunately, the PC police in here still think it's a
>"rough" word to use, to call their whores.
>My God! There's so many of you PL's in here that put that
>pussy on a pedestal. Let's call it what it is, and OMG, most
>of the things said in here isnt done in hate. We love our
>whores! Why so many of you boyscouts see it as a a negative
>thing? I don't know why.

Normally I wouldn't disagree with the Peabody and Sherman duo (jeez, I STILL miss Rocky and Bullwinkle, fractured fairy tales, etc!) But whether whether we like it or not, different terms for the essentially the same thing have different connotations.

Would you rather be pigheaded, stubborn, or tenacious?

I don't think hardly anyone here would seriously agree that, for example, whore, hooker, and escort are equally polite terms.

And neither are trick, john, or 'monger.

The nice thing about RB, though, is that people are welcome to hold any opinions they want, and, generally, express them.


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13. "Say What?????"
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LAST EDITED ON 31-Jul-10 AT 04:04 AM (PST)
 
I don't know who the f _ _ k you think you are, Mr. 236 posts, coming in here and criticizing your betters. PLs? PC Police? Boyscouts?

I tried to find some of your other 235 posts, but couldn't. Were they all deleted for asininity? I mean, I didn't go deep into Transgressions or RB Diaries forums. Perhaps I should. But, frankly, you are clearly such a fool that I won't bother.

All your post did was establish for all of us that you have no idea WTF you are talking about. Lot of people don't, of course, but most have the sense not talk TOO much if that's the case.

By the way, just asking, but was it the boy or the dog in Peabody and Sherman that you have the hots for?

Trick.

CG

PS. You say:

>When Gen.Hooker of the Union Army (the first pimp)

Thus establishing that you are an idiot as well as a fool.

Do you seriously think that the famous Hooker was the first PIMP? In the mid 1800's???

L O L. No pimps until the 1850's or so?

There are references to pimps (or ponces or whatever) going back hundreds of years. Maybe, thousands.

Dude, you're a joke. Do a google of the word "pimp" or better yet "pimp history" and learn what an ass you have made of yourself. If you are bright enough to use google.


>Unfortunately, the PC police in here still think it's a
>"rough" word to use, to call their whores.
>My God! There's so many of you PL's in here that put that
>pussy on a pedestal. Let's call it what it is, and OMG, most
>of the things said in here isnt done in hate. We love our
>whores! Why so many of you boyscouts see it as a a negative
>thing?

[What's wrong with sluts? I LIKE sluts!]

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8. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   In the US . . . (from dictionary.com)
john
"toilet," 1932, probably from jack, jakes, used for "toilet" since 16c. (see jack). Meaning "prostitute's customer" is from 1911, probably from the common, and thus anonymous, name by which they identified themselves.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper
Cite This Source

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9. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   Alot of girls are now sayin that alot of guys claim their name is "Dave."Is that the new John?

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10. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   >Alot of girls are now sayin that alot of guys claim their
>name is "Dave."Is that the new John?

There's a good "Dave's not home" joke here somewhere--but I'm too tired to figure it out.....

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25. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   My name is Dave. I visit the ladies of the evening every evening. That's why they call all their clients Dave. It's me. I'm everywhere. Boy, am I tired and broke...

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12. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   LAST EDITED ON 31-Jul-10 AT 01:49 AM (PST)
 
I never heard women refer their client as trick or john. Even when they are talking among themselves.

I like the word whore but I do not point to anyone and say whore this whore that... or in any derogatory way.


Whore is bit bigger.. it is in the same league as king queen priest sorcerer prophet etc. Unfortunately there is no equivalent word for payer or clients. oh wait there is one and that is "fool"

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15. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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My guess is in the 1950's and 60's the most common mens name was John, hence the slang.

IMO on the subject of, whore. That word is derogatory, hurtful, mean spirited, and out dated. Whore=morally corrupt prostitute, ( according to the dictionary ). The average women involved in sex work is a legitimate business person, selling her goods at the market rate.

If she or any other type of business person is under-handed and does not deliver the promised goods at the agreed upon price, then they're whores. I avoid whores in any profession, as best I can, and may they get what they deserve in life. The babes that I hire for their companionship, affection, and time are usually wonderful human beings, that rejuvenate me, make me feel great, and do nothing wrong. I am not going to demean them because it cost me a few bucks for their charms. Conversely, behind close doors anything that floats your boat or hers is fair game. Be nice, make the world a better place.

My take, John = street hookers, customer/client = AMP/Escort

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16. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   LAST EDITED ON 31-Jul-10 AT 10:30 AM (PST)
 
"But whether whether we like it or not, different terms for the essentially the same thing have different connotations.

Would you rather be pigheaded, stubborn, or tenacious?"

Good analogy

The English language is in a constant state of evolution.
From generation to generation, many words take on new meanings.
People who scoff at this are usually those who see themselves as straight shooters, no nonsense types of people. Tough guys. They call a spade a spade. They see progress as a threatening thing. They long for the "good old days".
They're also the same people who refer to African Americans as negros or colords. Nothing insulting about those words, right? It's not like the "N" word. Well, those words have powerful connotations to many people.

Even here on RB, new word meanings emerge.
Do you consider yourself a PL, whore monger, John, or....hobbyest?
Hobbyest? I find the word (in this context) kind of silly, but I accept that some people are more comfortable calling themselves that, and will refer to them as such out of respect for their feelings.

My best guess is that if you regularly use words like whore, bitch, slut, etc., you probably hate women.
Now, if a provider (another new meaning) refers to herself as a whore, that's a whole other thing.

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17. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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LAST EDITED ON 31-Jul-10 AT 01:26 PM (PST) by (moderator)
 
>My best guess is that if you regularly use words like whore, bitch, slut, etc., you probably >hate women.
>Now, if a provider (another new meaning) refers to herself as a whore, that's a whole other >thing.

Agree w/ that in general, however I do not see any harm in terms like, whore monger or the like. It is not directed at the sex worker, and most times used in jest.

My observation re the english language is certain words sound as terrible or worse than their meanings, whore, slut, fuck, shit, scum, these are fighting words to some.


>Would you rather be pigheaded, stubborn, or tenacious?"

These words are not comparable, they're not insults, so why are they a part of the discussion?? To confuse the issue I guess.

I don't understand how anyone in these times could be so negative about something so beautiful. I just don't get it.

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18. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   What about Dear John letter? John has a bad name.

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19. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   LAST EDITED ON 31-Jul-10 AT 07:41 PM (PST)
 
>
>
>>Would you rather be pigheaded, stubborn, or tenacious?"
>
>These words are not comparable, they're not insults, so
>why are they a part of the discussion?? To confuse the
>issue I guess.

No, actually to make a point. It's an analogy, and sometimes they can make issues clearer. Sorry if it didn't for you.

The point is that people who have minds that are hard to change can referred to in different ways. Pigheaded IS an insult. Stubborn is more neutral, and Tenacious is complimentary, or at least not negative at all.

"Whore" is more negative (to the great majority of us at least) than "hooker", which is more neutral. "Escort" is less negative yet.

>
>I don't understand how anyone in these times could be so
>negative about something so beautiful. I just don't get it.

Nor do I.

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20. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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>Even here on RB, new word meanings emerge.
>Do you consider yourself a PL, whore monger, John,
>or....hobbyest?
>Hobbyest? I find the word (in this context) kind of silly,

Me too, and I don't use it much. Just seems a bit TOO PC. I personally like 'monger. Short, of course for whoremonger.

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21. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   LAST EDITED ON 31-Jul-10 AT 08:13 PM (PST)
 
I prefer client although have had very few Escorts use the term Customer.

When I'm with a group of Escorts, rarely, and I can't recall actually, hear the term "John". Maybe back in the 70's or so, but not now. It's simply "this one guy", "trick", or "client". Neither of which bother me in the least.

On the other end, I don't think I've ever used the term "Provider" in a post. A provider is a health care provider, Internet Service Provider, etc. I think it's ridiculous, but on this board and a few other areas fairly routine.

How often do you read a paper or watch a newscast and hear that a "Provider" was arrested? Or, if talking to friends IRL and saying something like: I'm going to Vegas to get drunk, gamble, and see if I can find some Providers at the bar?

I never have.

Most Men wouldn't have the slightest clue about what you're talking about if you said "Provider". Exception for being in our little RB world for the most part.

I use the term Hooker or Escort fairly equally, see nothing wrong with either and the first is clearer (in a slight way) of exactly what is going on.

Rarely would I use the term whore, but no specific reason, just not my choice, some girls refer to themselves as whores, sluts, etc., but seems rare if Men on the board refer to them in that way or are afraid of being labeled as someone with deep seated issues. It's how you say it. Is the term used in an angry tone? Then maybe there is some hatred or other problems afoot. That's about it.

Well... I don't want to overthink this terribly much.

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22. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   >I prefer client although have had very few Escorts use the
>term Customer.

Client and Customer is the exact same thing!

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23. "RE: Why are hobbyists called 'Johns' ??"
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   No, there is a substantial difference.

Girls who have the attitude and refer to their P4P Men as clients are interested in repeat business and continue to give quality service each time compared to the one trick pony who they will never see again. It is about fostering repeat business.

The type(s) using the term "client", although they could refer to you as a "customer" tend to not have any need to seek out every message board and blast ads constantly and often seldom have a need to advertise as they have a solid "book" of regs and are low volume.

A client would be someone who could be generally counted on to see her if she comes to town every month or few months. Since I prefer seeing "regs" and some girls as often as 3 times a month for a long time the term seems to accurate. If service or reliability declines, I find someone else.


Difficult to find a precise link and this one refers more to a "real" business but gives a general idea.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Client-or-Customer?--There-Really-Is-A-Difference&id=43224

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24. "What he said. There's a difference. eom"
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   LAST EDITED ON 02-Aug-10 AT 10:19 PM (PST)
 
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