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birdman27
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"How to avoid being 'stung'?"
 
The excellent advice on RB has helped myself and thousands of other hobbyists from being embarrassed, arrested, and suffering more severe consequences while picking up professional working girls on the streets. For example, 'Don't talk through your window asking for a date'.

Since the last few years have witnessed a steady and significant migration of SW's from the street to the net, I'd like to know the best ways to set up a date with an escort and show up at her hotel confident that she's not a cop running a sting operation.

Specifically, while some escort reviews are clearly made up, is there a way to trust some of them as proving she is truly a bona fide escort? If an escort has no reviews, as many of them do, should I be suspicious of her being a cop? I have seen a handful of escorts and usually place an envelope with money somewhere indiscreet (sometimes in the bathroom) - then tell her I saw an envelope that she must have misplaced - so that I'm never 'giving' the money to her. Is this sufficient defense if it is a sting?

I apologize if this advice is listed somewhere on our site, but I've been contributing here for maybe ten years and didn't see it addressed. And I've been cruising less and less because I don't like wasting four or more hours (gas, time, and money) driving up and down the usual strolls and going home empty handed, so to speak.

I'd appreciate your thoughts.

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1. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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Never speak of any specific acts. Make an appointment for the amount of time. Never hand the money to the girl. Close the door, say hello, make sure you're alone with her, and without speaking place the gift on the nearest table in a way that she can see approx how much is there. My understanding is under those conditions, you cannot be charged with anything if she decides to get naked and sensual because it's completely "spontaneous". Some girls just can't control themselves ;)


screwed my brains out. what's your excuse?

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5. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   >Never speak of any specific acts. Make an appointment for
>the amount of time. Never hand the money to the girl.
>Close the door, say hello, make sure you're alone with her,
>and without speaking place the gift on the nearest table in
>a way that she can see approx how much is there. My
>understanding is under those conditions, you cannot be
>charged with anything if she decides to get naked and
>sensual because it's completely "spontaneous". Some girls
>just can't control themselves ;)


My understanding is that your understanding is wrong. Simply showing up for an appointment can be construed as 'intent' and you can be arrested on the spot, money or no money, even if you never mention any sex act.

Entrapment is not a defense anymore. Heck, even stopping to chat with a SW is enough to get you arrested in some communities, even if all you chat about is the weather.

culo is a culo

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2. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   There's risk in everything you do,Rb is no different. I have seen the newer providers with no reviews. I haven't had a problem with one yet. The only negative thing I could probably share is their lack of experience. Its definitely a gamble. Normally when I see a fresh new provider its because I like her look and she's young and new. Other than that I stick to my top 3 ATF's. There's never a lackluster moment with any of them.

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3. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   You might want to read the law. Cali penal code section 643.B I think it is. Basically, in order to be convicted there has to be a valid contract. Contract law is pretty straight forward.

You have to remember there is a huge gulf between a conviction and being arrested. The latter does not come automatically because of the former. However the latter can fuck up your life. An arrest can ruin your marriage, impact your career for years. Best way to not get arrested, don't hobby.

Even if you follow the law as I've previously posted if you hobby you can still be arrested for suspicion. Yep, even if you dont give them any evidence they can still fuck your life with an arrest just by arresting on suspicion of or an someone with more tenure help me with this I believe the charge "is loitering with intent to solicit".

Remember most stings are recorded so never say ok and never counter offer. Contract law, offer and acceptance helps LE win a conviction. Never offer or accept her offer. Best to be really clear in what you say. You're hot. I like you. Hell I don't know what to tell you to say but I know you shouldn't say anything about money or services.

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4. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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>You might want to read the law. Cali penal code section
>643.B I think it is. Basically, in order to be convicted
>there has to be a valid contract. Contract law is pretty
>straight forward.
>
>You have to remember there is a huge gulf between a
>conviction and being arrested. The latter does not come
>automatically because of the former. However the latter can
>fuck up your life. An arrest can ruin your marriage, impact
>your career for years. Best way to not get arrested, don't
>hobby.
>
>Even if you follow the law as I've previously posted if you
>hobby you can still be arrested for suspicion. Yep, even if
>you dont give them any evidence they can still fuck your
>life with an arrest just by arresting on suspicion of or an
>someone with more tenure help me with this I believe the
>charge "is loitering with intent to solicit".
>

Excellent point about the impact of mere arrest. Most advice in RB about legal matters focuses on avoiding conviction, while most people ignore that the mere arrest can fuck up a guy's life, even if never convicted..

I think you meant to say 647(b).

643(B) is disposing of fetal remains. Interesting coincidence, though.


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7. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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"loitering with intent to solicit"

Yikes!!!

something to think about when you're in the parking lot, on the cell ph, waiting for the escort to answer and tell you which room she's in!

screwed my brains out. what's your excuse?

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24. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   This has nothing to do with contract law, despite the initial impression one might get at first glance with 647(b). Furtherance is the key word here. The offer and agreement by themselves aren't enough: there has to be some act beyond this, (such as showing up with a couple hundred dollars to a stranger's hotel room, for instance).

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6. "Low Hanging Fruit"
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   LAST EDITED ON 21-Aug-10 AT 10:16 AM (PST)
 
With Escorts, the easiest and safest thing to do is simply go with Hookers that have numerous reviews. Yes, as you mentioned, they all could be fake (remote) but by checking the handle and the reviewers history this will give you a better idea.

Don't see anyone who hasn't been around for several months. At least 4 but I prefer 6 in almost all situations since I want someone who has experience and a track record of treating being an Escort as a business/Profession who knows what she is doing.

If she doesn't have any reviews, yeah, could be a cop but probably just a new handle to escape poor reviews and why would you waste your time and money on someone with no track record? Money isn't a problem for me in this little fun "game" of ours, but wasting my time and having a poor service IS.

You aren't missing out on anything by waiting and if she leaves the area or quits, so what, plenty of others around.

Bascially, if you follow the above, very little chance, and the reason for my subject line.

LE isn't going to bother spending oodles of time creating fake reviews and waiting months to bust 1 guy (maybe more of course on the same day) when they can nab the "low hanging fruit" by just posting a fake pic on CL a phone # and wait for the avalanche of calls especially if the price is relatively cheap.

Why should they make things more difficult than necessary?

LE also isn't going to do a bust at your personal residence and very unlikely at your Hotel. They like to be in complete control of the situation, need other cops nearby, video, and all that other crap. Why risk sending a lone female cop into a Gents home? Just not necessary. Probably around 90 percent of the girls I've seen this year are for Outcall. Not a problem and much more convenient but not "do-able" for some others.

Although I could go on forever, as this has been mentioned many times before (no biggee fresh perspectives every few months or so are helpful) a slight reduction in risk if doing an Incall at a Hookers personal home or apartment.

Just follow the first 2 paragraphs and no one should have any problems. No guarantees, as always.

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8. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/general/44164.html

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9. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   Second thread...

http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/general/44186.html

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10. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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Things to do to avoid being "stung":

1. Read the providers posting and her reviews. If she has been posting for awhile and has reviews, pretty safe to presume she is not LE.

2. Upon making contact, never discuss services over the phone. Just have a casual conversation and make an appointment.

3. Upon showing up to the appointment, do a casual check of the bathroom, closet, and if the room has a connecting door, check to see if the handle is locked or not. Notice if the provider stands behind you and locks the door to the room with the bolt and chain. If she doesn't, ask her if you can, for your mutual protection. If she doesn't, politely leave. It is highly unlikely that LE will breakdown a bolted and chained front or locked connecting room door and destroy the premises for only one bust.

4. At this point, if you feel comfortable with her and your sixth sense gives you the all clear, you can place the donation on the dresser, night stand, or other visible location.

*****But under any circumstances, do not discuss services. If you don't feel comfortable, tell her that you don't (and just that only) and politely leave. Remember to trust your sixth sense. There are plenty of other legitimate providers out there to choose from if this one is not worth your trust.*****

4. Have fun and stay safe.

Anyone need two left-footed shoes?

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11. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   But what if she's a well-reviewed and legitimate provider, who has been busted by the cops and set up by them to catch all the johns that come to her? Has this ever been the case?

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19. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   I have no idea if it's EVER been the case, but a well-reviewed provider is also likely well known by a lot of people. The word would get around quickly enough, ending her business.

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12. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   > I have
>seen a handful of escorts and usually place an envelope with
>money somewhere indiscreet (sometimes in the bathroom) -
>then tell her I saw an envelope that she must have misplaced
>- so that I'm never 'giving' the money to her. Is this
>sufficient defense if it is a sting?
>

No. But it's widely believed by both hookers and tricks these days.

I like to hand the money directly to her. I find it erotic.

If she's a cop, you were already busted when you showed up "in furtherance" of the crime. You've already committed an overt act by arranging the date then showing up.

You could send her the money by carrier pigeon and it wouldn't matter a bit.

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13. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   That's why I stick mostly to amps. Sure they could raid the place and catch you with a big ass hard on, but last I checked, there's no crime in having an erection in a private room, and as long as you don't have your dick in her mouth when they come into your room then I don't see how anything could stick. Just make sure you get the room furthest from the front door so you have time to desist what ever you happen to be doing if you hear a commotion outside.

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14. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   > but last I checked, there's no crime in having an erection in a private room,

Try "being in a known place of prostitution". No offense, KOP, but when will you knuckleheads get it into your noggins that you can be arrested for anything anytime. Generally speaking, a DA does not like a "bad arrest" (meaning one that is insufficient for one reason or another to reasonably lead to a conviction) but the DA also understands that vice arrests are a matter of "policing" (in other words a form of harrassment where LE wields the power of screwing up your life far short of a conviction).

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17. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   Do you have the penal code for "being in a place known for prostitution"?

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25. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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>> Do you have the penal code for "being in a place known for prostitution"? <<

PC 653.22 (c)

California Penal Code - Section 653.20-653.28 :: Chapter 2.5. Loitering For The Purpose Of Engaging In A Prostitution Offense
PENAL CODE
SECTION 653.20-653.28


http://law.justia.com/california/codes/2009/pen/653.20-653.28.html


=================================================================

".....Charged with Solicitation or Prostitution per Penal Code 647(b) pc? ... being present in a particular place (for example, being in a known area of ....."

California Prostitution and Solicitation Laws Explained

California Penal Code 647 (b)

http://www.shouselaw.com/engaging_in_prostitution.html

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15. "Risk and the Legal Prostitution alternatives"
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   Seriously, if you have a lot to lose and are that worried about getting busted, then you really should re-consider whether escorts are right for you. An alternative (albeit more-expensive) exists in the perfectly legal brothels in neighboring Nevada (not to mention even better alternatives overseas) – there are other websites devoted to that topic (simply do a Yahoo/Google/Bing search for Legal Prostitution in Nevada), and I happen to know of a number of politicians, celebrities, athletes, business executives, and even non-Nevada cops who patronize the legal prostitutes. Personally, I am a bachelor (no wife, no kids), so I prefer to see escorts (since there is less downside risk to me if I were to be busted), but your own situation may differ.

Client 69

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18. "RE: Risk and the Legal Prostitution alternatives"
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Or you can simply masturbate (in private).

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16. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   " I'd like to know the best ways to set up a date with an escort and show up at her hotel confident that she's not a cop running a sting operation."

There has been much back and forth about this topic in recent times. Check the referenced threads for details. A large part of your anxiety and concern should be allayed by the fact that the vast majority of sting operations, focusing on internet P4P, involve LE targeting providers and not their clients. If the intent of the specific LE agency involved is not on street action or the sexual exploitation of minors, then the chances of being the target of a sting in which anonymous internet clients are lured to a motel or residence for paid sex with an adult provider are vanishingly small.

One of the primary reasons that this is so is that if male clients were to be randomly targeted those kinds of operations would be netting all manner of public officials (including other cops), community leaders, professionals, etc....and that just wouldn't fly at all.

There are other reasons to be extremely careful in meeting anyone for
P4P activities that you do not know well, but if you're not trying to find pussy on the streets or have sex with minors, then you're very likely to never see an LE operation that is set up to target folks like you and I.

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20. "RE: How to avoid being 'stung'?"
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   I think FBSM providers are much safer in this respect because their is a legitimate, legal service taking place--a massage.

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