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"Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
 
   There have been times when I'm driving, particularly in the south bay and I see some woman walking along side of the road and she is attractive but evidently in a depressed economic state...and I wonder what would happen if I pulled up along side her and offered her compensation for some time with her. I've also considered this when a couple young ladies pull up next to me in an old beater. Roll down my window, propose the same thing to them. Am I watching too many bang bros. videos?

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1. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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I think that would be an awesome fantasy to live out.

You gotta make sure you word the offer properly. You're strictly compensating her for her 'time'.

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2. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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First this is not a knock on you as I have had to work through these types of issues in my own head. There is nothing wrong with your fantasy; the problem can come about if and when you seek to act on it trying to make it a reality. One has to be careful to not fall into the trap of becoming a predator by taking advantage of someone in a desperate situation.

Also, a lot depends upon your approach. Unlike providers, civilian women tend to go into a state of denial about exchanging companionship for money. They fuck a “boyfriend” who helps them with the rent, but don’t put this in the category of being a prostitute.

I had a friend who used to routinely ask women if they would like to put some money in their jeans. He just worked the percentages and sometimes would get takers.

Another concern might be taking on a lot of drama dealing with their issues.


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12. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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Why not go out and paste that old 60's bumper sticker on the back of your car that says, "Ass, grass or gas, No one rides for free." That way the girl you stop for has a general idea of what kind of guy you are. If she still gets in, then you just might be in luck. But I do have to agree with Dai Lun. It would be disrespectful not to mention potentially pepper spray-inducing to live out your fantasy.

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3. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   LAST EDITED ON 01-Sep-10 AT 09:58 PM (PST)
 
If a chick is hitchhiking, unless she's carrying a gascan or something, there is a pretty good chance she'll put out for cash. And is very likely out there for just that reason.

In the other scenarios you describe, it sounds like a good way to get things thrown at your car.

In the scenarios you describe, I would pick her up, and then, with a little tact, get at what you would like. I'd guess it would work maybe 30% of the time. And cheerfully take 'no' for an answer.

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4. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   How about "You are under arrest for soliciting"?

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5. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   Yeah, my gut says I could get in big trouble. I guess that's why it will always remain a fantasy.

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7. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   >>Yeah, my gut says I could get in big trouble.<<

That quote referring to a previous post that the girls would be LE.

I disagree. You think LE would have women walk around looking down on their luck in the hopes that they might get propositioned?

First, if they wanted to get some prostitution collars, where do you think they would use their very limited manpower, on a situation like that hoping that someone MIGHT have an idea in their head like yours AND have the balls to act on it, or use the girl as a SW in a high prostitution area? Common sense says you are 100% safe.

Second, the cops don't like busting johns. They understand that most johns are upstanding citizens and nobody is going to take seriously that they are preventing crime by busting them. And it's not productive in the overall fight against prostitution. It's like targeting the guy on the street for having a joint and ignoring the dealers, it has no effect at all outside of a tiny deterrent. Not nearly as impactful as busting a pimp or a prostitute.

And in the extremely remote chance that you happen by someone who is on the job, maybe watching someone or staking out somewhere, do you really think they are going to break their cover to bust you?

The only danger you are in is pissing off some women, which you surely will. But by the same token, you will also get some takers. And to those who think that makes you a predator...I don't get that. You're not forcing them to do anything, they are taking part in the transaction because they want the cash. They need the cash. That you are a predator presupposes that you are otherwise obligated to give them the cash just because they are down on their luck, or that they don't have the right to do whatever they see fit in order to make money to survive. It's a pretty Ivory Tower view, IMHO.

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13. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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> And to those who think that makes you a
>predator...I don't get that. You're not forcing them to do
>anything, they are taking part in the transaction because
>they want the cash. They need the cash. That you are a
>predator presupposes that you are otherwise obligated to
>give them the cash just because they are down on their luck,
>or that they don't have the right to do whatever they see
>fit in order to make money to survive. It's a pretty Ivory
>Tower view, IMHO.


I didn’t mean to come off sounding ultra moralistic. Two consenting adults who engage in a mutually advantageous situation when the opportunity to do so occurs, is not what I’m talking about.

It is a consistent pattern of seeking out women who you know to be in desperate situation and exploiting them for sexual activities that they would not otherwise engage in is when one starts down the slippery slope. We all have heard about the boss who pressures female employees who desperately need to keep their jobs, the landlord who pressures a female tenant to avoid eviction, and so on.

The OP’s fantasy is more at just throwing it out there to see if there are any takers when a potential opportunity presents itself. But it can lead to a form of trolling with the power of money to catch the desperate fish.

There is a question of motivation as to why this approach rather than seeing a SW or provider who has already made the conscious decision to play for pay. Is it a sense of power, a better deal in getting more time and service for less money, etc.?


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18. "A few thoughts."
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   LAST EDITED ON 01-Sep-10 AT 09:59 PM (PST)
 
>
>It is a consistent pattern of seeking out women who you know
>to be in desperate situation and exploiting them for sexual activities

First, I'm afraid that the chances that LE would waste resources by having broke looking chicks wandering down the road are, approximately, zero. And that is good to three decimal places... I mention this not to be contrary, or "right", but because it is important for people who are making decisions about things to start with accurate premises.

Second, with about 100% of SWs, and 65+ percent of escorts, you are supporting either a pimp, a hard drug addiction, or both. Now....man is the animal who has the ability to rationalize. And I'm sure I do my share. but by any objective or reasonable definition, you are "exploiting desperate people" when you use their services. I'm not crazy about that....but I can live with it. I try to be realistic about these things. I also try and treat hookers well, even if there isn't an immediate sexual payoff. See? I can rationalize with the best.

And don't think AMPS (or AAMPS) are the answer. Sexual slavery is very common.

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22. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   Hey HighStepper, I wasn't referring to your post and I didn't find it moralistic at all. I agreed with it 100%.

I read the entire thread and the word "predator" stuck in my head, so I used it. I just realized now that it didn't come from one of the other posts that I was taking issue with. Sorry for the confusion.

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20. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   Lmao Going to jail with a hard dick. That's no fun

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6. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   Your attitude, if true isn't even funny.

However, as an old geezer, I realize that boys and girls today have different views about sexuality.

However, IMHO your "fantasy" shows an (not so) amazing lack of respect for women. Pretty shallow.

You're probably one of the dolts who think that every Asian woman you see on the street is an "economically available f**k toy".

Attitudes like yours just amaze me. I wonder what your reaction would be if it happened to one of your female relatives?

DaiLun

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10. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   Lightin up dude...you do realize what website your on here Mr. high and mighty. He did say it was just a fantasy and was a bit curious of the consequences if he actually went thru with it...

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16. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   LAST EDITED ON 01-Sep-10 AT 09:20 PM (PST)
 
Yeah, and if he couldn't think of the possibility that it was insulting and the consequence of getting arrested that says a lot right there.

It's a hooker board, not a "civilian target of opportunity" board. I guess you don't know the difference either.

Oh and if not thinking that every woman is a P4P candidate to be exploited is your idea of "high and mighty", then I'll take that as a compliment.

DaiLun

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14. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   DaiLun, i throw my hat in with you. PolarWatch doesn't realize that when someone puts out a "what-if" scenario it's actually to seek approval to go ahead and try. You don't know who or what you are dealing with on this forum. I would not want to be the one that launches a serial rapist. Furthermore, another really strong outcome is that you can be robbed/rolled...you know nothing of this girl that just got in your car...what happens when she comes out with a knife/pepper spray...what happens she demands your wallet or she starts screaming rape as you stop at a light with people waiting? Being called Mr High and Mighty? Good deal...even in the hobby let's have some standards.

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15. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   Rapist?! That's off the deep end. If that was a fantasy it would never make it to an escort message board. Sheesh.

As for the other concerns, this is exactly the kind of input I was looking for. Who knows what trouble I might be letting into my car.

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19. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   I dont know you or your background. Had a college buddy who I was shooting the shit with one day and we were pissing and moaning about how hard it was to get laid. Stan comes out with"Have you ever considered rape?" After picking myself up off the floor, he joked it off. Years later I learned he was tried and convicted of raping a 14 year old...and I knew him from high school/college/church groups. Deep end? "Who knows the evil that lurks in the hearts of men?" Bring a stack of bibles and your father confessor...but if I don't know you, I still won't trust you.

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8. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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I imagine we've all had this fantasy. Seems that only three things can happen:

1) she says yes, then you have to deal with handing her a sheet of acronyms so you two can agree on a menu, explain the diff between gfe, rbgfe, gfe+, gfe-, etc, etc. ... and let the good times roll

2) she says no, yells at you, calls you a perv, and you drive away - probably not the first time that has happened, certainly not if you ever spend any time in bars

3) she is LE - highly unlikely and probably not even a real concern unless you are doing this in front of a PD station where undercover LE come and go

I say go for it and report back

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9. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   I have been asked for "spare change" for gas in the Best Buy parking lot by the same gal at least 3 times now.It's always the same story,she is almost out of gas and needs to get to the coast.The last time she approached I was not in the mood for her and damn near asked her for a BJ in exchange just to make her go away.This thread kind of makes me wonder what in the hell I would have done if she agreed.

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11. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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There's nothing wrong with it if you go about it the right way. Carry a nice camera and say you are scouting for adult web site and offer $$ for you to take nude pix of her. It's legal as long as she's 18 or over. If she agrees you can negotiate additional services from there.

screwed my brains out. what's your excuse?

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17. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   Don't do it. Civie women are needlessly hassled enough as it is.

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21. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   I am guessing that more than 9 times out of 10, the guys in those vids strike out, get in trouble or just cruise around bored out of their minds. Of course they wouldn't release those vids. Frankly, I hate the fact that they tend to dump the gal at the end of those vids. Pretty misogynist if you ask me.

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23. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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   >>I am guessing that more than 9 times out of 10, the guys in those vids strike out<<

Actually, if those videos were what they pretend to be, the strikeout rate would be closer to 999 out of 1000. They are clearly staged, meaning the girl has already done the paperwork, proved she is over 18, etc. and then they put her on the street or in the park and pretend to come across her.

The odds in this case will be much better than two guys with a video camera asking to have sex with the hottest girl they see.

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24. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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Nothing wrong with that. You can start by asking her politely and discreetly if she can use some extra money then go from there.

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25. "RE: Tell me all the reasons this fantasy is wrong."
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3There is a charter member here who is doing just that. He hardly ever sees RB ladies anymore. He sees civiie ladies that are broke and desperate. He works with their drug dealers so he knows when they need money to score dope. He is very happy with that situation.

I am not going to pass judgment, just say it is not my style at all. I'm sure there are many civies that are so close to becoming homeless or cannot take care of their children that they would gladly accept such an offer from you. Probably most women in college that are paying their own way would accept as well.

The question is are you taking advantage of them or actually helping them? That is for you to decide.

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