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"10% Federal fake bake tanning tax starts today"
 
   10% on tanning booth charges to help pay for costs of skin cancer.

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1. "RE: 10% Federal fake bake tanning tax starts today"
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They had a piece on National Public Radio about that today. Naturally, the owners of tanning salons are unhappy, though 1 patron said that the tax will not deter her from getting tans. While a tan looks lovely, of course, it is damaging and dangerous. Unfortunately, society often picks up the cost of care for those people who contract skin cancer but have inadequate or no insurance. Even the insurance plans reflect the cost of care for certain conditions which could be prevented or minimized.

It is like riding a motorcycle. People should have the right to ride a motorcycle. Unfortunately, there is a high social cost due to the disproportionately high number of accidents involving motorcycles. As a society, we pay for the police, fire and ambulance responses. We pay for those accidents in our insurance rates, and we pay for them in the cost of medical care.

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2. "RE: 10% Federal fake bake tanning tax starts today"
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   Well said. And like cigarette smoking, even with complete cessation, the increased risk of disease from excessive and/or repeated sunlight exposure is carried though one's life.

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3. "It's a Tax..."
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   On white women who make up 90% of the clients for tanning salons. Not that I care, but the money isn't going to pay for skin cancer treatments as the gov would like to say. It goes into the general fund and will be spent long before anyone developes cancer. It's all about increasing revenues during tough budget times. I doubt it will stop anyone from tanning. If they pay $60 a month to tan it's now $66. Pffftttt.... I just ask:Please don't tan your face ladies. Besides the damage to eyes and hair it makes your face look like a wrinkled football.
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4. "Eyes and hair"
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   Adequate eye shields are provided to reduce UVA/UVB to acceptable levels, and the subject's eyes are closed. Going out in natural sunlight without ocular UV protection poses a greater risk to the eyes.

If there's any damage to the hair, that damage will not be present in the additional growth from the hair shaft in the scalp.

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5. "Geeze, I guess you have a PHD in Ignorance..."
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   While I am not a Dr and don't play one on TV, my experience working in a tanning salon and in speaking with hundreds of customersis that a majority of people do not use the eyeshields provided for a variety of reasons-mostly they don't like the lines from bridge and elastic band. Those that do use the goggles rarely use them as directed or stand or lie down with eyes closed. The most common scenario is they turn on the tanning unit then put on goggles or think keeping their eyes closed without using goggles will protect them. No one will stand there with eyes closed without looking at their feet or rub in lotion adjust suit(if wearing any) etc. Some folks, of course, are serious about it and own their own goggles or use disposable 'winkies'and cover their hair with a white towel. Further, the heat and fan blowing from the unit as well as UV's will dry out hair and fade color. They also don't think about basics like foot fungus, heat rash, allergic reaction to cleaning beds improperly (or not at all) and burns associated with accelerants

As with most things, safety and moderation make a difference. A few minutes careful (no such thing as safe)tanning a couple times a month won't significantly raise your risk of melanoma or cataracts

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http://www.aad.org/media/background/factsheets/fact_indoortanning.html

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6. "Geez more like MD/Ph.D./D.D."
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   Mr. Nek:

There's no need to declare anyone here as "ignorant" or imply or denote anything unkind or adverse.

I stated the shields are "provided" or available without any comment on whether or not there is subject compliance.

Now, if goggles or UV absorbing material is not used, then the UV rays will inflame the lids. UV will not pass through the lids and promote cataracts or retinal disease. This if a comment is made that the "eyes" are damaged if one doesn't use protective eyewear, that is not precise if the eyes are closed. The eyelids, not the eyes, are injured.

As for the hair, there was never a denial that the hair exposed to the radiation could be damaged. There was only the statement that new hair growth would be unaffected by such prior radiation.

There is no valid reason for anyone to use a tanning bed or booth which uses UV radiation to tan. Tanning is a response to injury, and UV light, especially before the age of 18, poses risks and damage.

In the alternative, chemical tanning via spraying, or by DHA lotions (Clinique Self Tanning Cream is excellent - - - no fragrance, applies easily and smoothly, tans in a few hours, lasts for a few days)

By the way, when one cuts open an apple and the fruit turns brown, that is due to melanin, the same melanin which is involved with tanning. The browning reaction results from the oxidation of phenolic compounds in the fruit aided by an enzyme called polyphenol oxidase or "PPO".

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7. "::Yawn::"
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   Ignorant only means you don't know the subject. What I am ignorant of can (and does) fill encyclopidias. Knowing that, I don't comment on items I am not qualified to address. On this issue I have both training (NTTI) and experience and disagree 100% with your initial statements and the impression it will leave people about tanning. Your second statement was more accurate but still wrong on basic reality of indoor tanning. Your reply is simplistic and a waste a bandwidth. Polysyllabic words couched in flowery prose does not mean you aren't ignorant of facts, reality and common sense. You really have no idea what you are talking about beyond reading what anyone can read on their own. Do you really think people care that 'new growth' (average an inch a month) is not damaged? Once hair leaves your scalp it's dead and is easily damaged. Further, the goggles do not stop all UV's and people do not stand there the whole time with eyes closed. Units with 'face tanners' allow people to put their faces level with multiple bulbs inches from eyes/face for intense and focused exposure. Tanning salons are not safer than the sun and do not protect you from sunburns. Over half the people using tanning booths get burns. Oh well...I could go on but but I'm done with this thread and it's a nice day outside. Happy 4th of July!

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8. "Chill out. Go get some sunlight."
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Wow. Where is stemming all your anger ? Half your message was about me and not this topic. You need to get out in the sunlight ! New hair growth occurring in the absence of UV exposure is NOT damaged... it has not yet been formed while the hair already "extruded" from the follicle has been exposed.

Show me one shred of qualified evidence that UV rays pass through closed eyelids and are harmful to the cornea, aqueous humor, lens, vitreous humor, and/or retina. Links please.

A small "burn" is required to disperse/stimulate melanin, but proper booth technique will not produce a symptomatic "burn". Remember, tanning is a response to injury.

Now, instead of displaying anger and hostility, please provide us with credible on-point educational URLs.

I have already stated that no one should use a tanning booth. However, controlled man-made UV exposure is useful for a few diseases, such as psoriasis.

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9. "I am chill..."
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   I'm just not posturing as a psuedo MD and giving out harmful advice. I am not angry-Maybe slightly annoyed. This is just the internet. You take my response as anger because it exposed your lack of real knowledge which made you defensive. If I have to waste my time educating you then expect a spanking.

To expand on the obvious to stubborn fool-
1.Damaged Hair: Of course, hair is not called hair until it emerges from the scalp. People only care about the 12"-36" protruding from their scalps. To hide behind the attitude "I said it doesn't damage new hair" is silly. UV's damage what is commonly refered to as hair and tanning booths exude UV's in massive concentrated quantities.

http://womenshair.about.com/od/healthyhairmaintenance/a/UVprotection.htm

2. Damaged Eyes: UV's penetrate eyelids (after burning the thin skin of the eyelid) and damage the eye both short term and long term. Eight minutes in a tanning booth can equal a full days exposure to sunlight.

http://www.eyecarecontacts.com/home_first_aid_kit.html

3. Burn to Tan: A "burn" is not required to "tan" your skin. Low level exposure to UV's over time will darken your skin without burning.

http://www.ehow.com/how_996_tan-without-burning.html

4.Burns increase risks of cancer.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/skin-cancer/DS00190/DSECTION=risk-factors

5. Tanning is a response to damaged skin: There is no such thing as a healthy tan.

http://www.mastertanning.com/tips/25/tanning-process/

6. 'Tanning' does have limited medical benefit. The Vitamin D excuse is not true if you have at least a decent diet. It can help with other skin issues as stated.

http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/tanningBeds.htm

The thread started as a tax going to pay for skin cancer treatments. It will not. Doesn't even address the eyecare issues. Folks on federal government backed insurance will get treated with the tax or without. People on private plans don't benefit from the tax. How much will be raised? It's the same as Social Security-They will grab and spend the money now and worry about paying for treatments later.

http://dailyme.com/story/2010061400000666/federal-tanning-tax-starts-july-money.html

You are not a stupid person as you write well and have excellent grammar. I'm sure there are many subjects people would consider you as an expert. You know very little about this subject. If you take the time to read the links, you will have a better understanding of the subject but still lack experience. Sadly, you are an example of someone who has a little bit of knowledge being dangerous. Please take the time to educate yourself before opining on this and other subjects.

PS
This was written while relaxing on the back porch in partial sunlight


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10. "Eyelid UV phototherapy is both safe and effective"
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   LAST EDITED ON 03-Jul-10 AT 07:45 PM (PST)
 
In post #7 you said: "...I could go on but but I'm done with this thread..."

Glad you didn't mean it.

Sometimes I wish I had a lack of knowledge, but you are in no position to judge that nor is that the issue here.

Unclear why you posted those links. Are you suffering from sunstroke ? We agree on everything except the extent of UV transmission through the eyelids and through protective goggles. The tanning booth sources and consumer sites are divergent from true credible medical sources. The plain truth is that NEGLIGIBLE UV radiation passes through the intact normal upper eyelid. Check the Medline sources, not consumer sites. Negligible = not clinically significant and/or not a cause of pathology.

Please post your source (see message #7) which proves that UV goggles do not substantially reduce UV radiation. Even simple polycarbonate lenses for human eye wear can eliminate 99.9% of all UV radiation, so it is painfully obvious that goggles designed to eliminate UV radiation should do the same or better.

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Present status of eyelid phototherapy.
Clinical efficacy and transmittance of ultraviolet and visible radiation through human eyelids.

Prystowsky JH, Keen MS, Rabinowitz AD, Stevens AW, DeLeo VA.

Department of Dermatology, Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center, New York, NY.

BACKGROUND: Phototherapy for the eyelid has not previously been recognized as a safe and effective treatment of photoresponsive dermatoses of the eyelid, such as atopic dermatitis, vitiligo, psoriasis, lymphomatoid papulosis, and parapsoriasis.

OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this study was to demonstrate the efficacy and safety of this treatment.

METHODS: Two cases are presented to demonstrate clinical efficacy. In addition, a retrospective eye evaluation of seven patients receiving a combined total of greater than 1300 eyelid phototherapy treatments was performed. To determine whether potentially harmful UV radiation is significantly transmitted through eyelid skin, an in vitro study was conducted to measure the percentage transmittance of ultraviolet-visible radiation through five excised eyelids.

RESULTS: In the two cases presented, remarkable improvement occurred without adverse side effects, suggesting that it is possible to deliver incremental UV dosages to eyelid skin to achieve clearing of skin disease. Retrospective analysis of patients’ records revealed no ocular disease from the phototherapy. In vitro eyelid examination produced data that indicated negligible quantities of UV radiation were transmitted through eyelid skin compared with the visible spectrum, in which up to 77% of the radiation was transmitted through the tissue.

CONCLUSION: The combined clinical experience and transmittance data suggest that eyelid phototherapy is a safe and effective treatment in selected patients.

PMID: 1597547 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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