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"Help for low testosterone ?"
 
Last night a new client came in and over the course of the session, he confided in me that he has low testosterone. He said it's affected his life in many areas such as appearance (he is 27 but looks maybe 18 or so because he is not aging normally) and his sex life as his libido is down and ejaculation is difficult for him. Actually, after talking to him a bit about this I think it's even affecting his self-esteem, mood and confidence with women.

So the answer is simple, right ? Just take a pill. Well, in his case it's not so simple as the pills run around $200 a month and he said he cannot afford it. (he was only hobbying because it was his b-day and yes, I gave him a break) I felt really awful for for him because I could clearly see the distress it was causing. He said it's ruining his life.

So since I have free time right now, I offered to do some research and see if I could find a solution. Of course, everything is closed today but does anyone have a suggestion on where to start ? He is new to the area and has just applied for a "Healthy San Francisco" card. He does not yet know if testosterone is something covered by that or not. With all of the programs and services in SF, surely there is *something* that can be done ? Money is obviously the issue with him so he would need free services with a small co-pay and his prescription covered.

He was just such a nice guy and I'd really like to help him figure this out so he can get on with his life and reach his full potential.

~Stella

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notmeithink
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04-Jul-10, 05:13 PM (PST)
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1. "RE: Help for low testosterone ?"
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   He needs to get some injectable testosterone and some needles and learn to stab his thigh once a month. It's easy, anything but expensive, and highly effective. Sinatra did it every day!

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2. "RE: Help for low testosterone ?"
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Androgel testosterone gel. Rub on your skin every day, or every other day if he has to economize. Maybe not affordable for him, but the androgel company also issues a discount card to encourage sales. Androgel is like viagra 5 years ago....a lot more people were using it than admitted it. Hugh Hefner talked about it all the time.

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3. "RE: Help for low testosterone ?"
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   It's too expensive.

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4. "RE: Help for low testosterone ?"
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I would suggest that he go to a urologist and be tested. My hubby had zero interest in sex along with ED. Doctor put him on gel that he rubbed into his body and it made a wonderful difference. Not sure of the cost as we have insurance although the company of the gel he used gave him a discount for the first 6 mos, so minus the co-pay, it was free. Could just be a low T level. Thanks for taking the time to help a young fellow.

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notmeithink
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6. "RE: Help for low testosterone ?"
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   I would suggest he see an endocrinologist not a urologist.

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07-Jul-10, 08:38 PM (PST)
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5. "RE: Help for low testosterone ?"
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Anabolic steroids are pretty much the same thing as testosterone -- they increase the level of testosterone. If the cost is too much in the U.S., one can go to Mexico or probably order it online. If you can get an Rx, I assume you can bring it over the border. Not too sure of these things -- I haven't taken an Rx drug in 23 years.

There may be other issues -- lots of food and drink generate estrogen, which counters testosterone. Alcohol is estrogenic, so if he drinks he should quit. I myself quit drinking on days I go to the gym, because it's fucking stupid to even have 1 or 2 beers after a gym session (real weight lifting, not walking on a tread mill). It would be best if I quit altogether. I also have a problem with looking too young (not lack of muscle -- 192 pounds, 5'11" and 13% body fat), which makes me feel really sad when I am between the legs of a 26 year old.

Men who drink a lot will get tits. It's not just body fat, it's the estrogen too. The big lie was that this is what pot does. Nope. It's actually what good 'ol legal alcohol does. Those studies by Gabriel Nahas on pot were federally funded lies, but are still touted by anti-pot douche bags as the truth. He was a fucking liar who used his medical degree to legitimize lies. Now he speaks out against medicinal Marijuana. Fucker. He should be forced to eat the puke of chemotherapy patients... Ok, but I digress...

But I get it -- he looks really young, weak, can't have sex properly. The meds he needs are too expensive. Look into welfare (medicare, medical, medigap) if you can't afford it. If that doesn't work, see if you can legally obtain your drugs overseas via mail order. If that doesn't work, maybe you can get some black market diabanol...

See -- people say "Oh steroids are illegal and so awful". No -- they are legal and are actually prescribed for people like this guy AND also certain doctors that are in anti-aging practices. You can legally take steroids -- just don't expect to while you're pole vaulting in the Olympics (most of these athletes 'roid up in the off season -- if anything the illegality makes them more willing to stack in the off season -- by stack I mean taking a whole lot of lots of different types of steroids).

It's funny that we prescribe anti-depressants (which, while they do something, don't treat depression better than placebo) like fucking chicklets, but steroids are so frowned upon. You can inject botulism toxin into your forehead, have the fat sucked out of your ass, but heaven forbid if you try to gain a little extra muscle at the gym at the expense of your balls.

And all these side effects are pretty jazzed up (like they are about most "illicit" drugs). Jose Conseco did more roids than anyone (ratted them out) and the only health problem he has is that his body no longer makes testosterone... Not surprising. Just about every pro athlete has taken them. Our Governator has too. I would never take them, but it's just a moral fucking quandary as to why people can have fake tits, get fat sucked out of everywhere, take all sorts of psychotropic drugs (really? 80 million Americans have a chemical imbalance in their brain?!?) yet steroids are the worst thing ever... Congress has to masturbate about steroids in sports, because they're all a bunch of fraternity douche bags...

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10. "RE: Help for low testosterone ?"
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   If 500-750mg of Test doesn't do it - nothing will. However, injecting more than the aforementioned milligram dosage is unnecessary unless an athletic competition or a personal athletic goal is in mind.

"Congress has to masturbate about steroids in sports, because they're all a bunch of fraternity douche bags..."

Yeah, they're a bunch of old prudes who've never lifted a weight in their entire boring lives...

Thanks, Eddie/Elvis

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7. "RE: Help for low testosterone ?"
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   The good news is, there are treatments for low testosterone, from androgel to injectables (as discussed above), with varying advantages and disadvantages for each. Bad news is, you're not going to be able to solve this problem for him, he'll need a doctor to pick the appropriate solution for him. And I bet the doctor will be in the best position to know how to use the system -- whether it's healthy san francisco, or applying for some sort of disability, or whatever else -- to get some help on the topic.

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8. "RE: Help for low testosterone ?"
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   Hopefully, he has seen a doctor to determine the root cause. Assuming it is just age, or no apparent cause, he could try DHEA (25mg 1/day), which is a low cost alternative available in the health food aisle of most grocery and drug stores. He should have his testosterone level checked at the onset, and then in 90 days to see the effect.

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9. "RE: Help for low testosterone ?"
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   I too have low test...started about age 40. I agree with the above poster that a blood test is the first order. That will definitively determine if he has low test. If so, DHEA is the cheapest route. DHEA converts to test in the body, and is available at WalMart pretty cheap.
I also use a cream that I bought from a Homeopathic doctor. It contains test and was about $50 for a tube. A tube lasts me a couple months. You spread a pea-sized amount on your abdomen every morning.

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11. "RE: Help for low testosterone ?"
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Thanks for all the info ! I'm pretty sure he's had the bloodwork already done because he said he was actually on testosterone in the past but then at some point could no longer afford it anymore. So thank you Gvguy, for the low cost suggestion. I don't know what Healthy San Francisco will or will not cover and that part is up to him to find out. But I'll pass this information along to him and hopefully it will help. Thanks again to all of you.

~Stella

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