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"Questions about surgery cost with no insurance..."
 
   Okay so I get a call and a visit from a younger brother (by three years) that I have not see or really talked to in about 9 or more years. He stays a few days and I show him around a bit. The night before he leaves he pulls me aside and tells me he has testicular cancer. He's looks very freaked out but says he does not want to talk about it, just thought I should know.

He said they want to do surgery to remove his testicle as soon as possible because it could spread to his lymph nodes. I know zip about testicular cancer so I am feeling not very helpful at this point in the conversation. Mostly just nodding.

Then he tells me that he's only working a few hours a week at his job (he's in construction in Montana) because of the economy, has lost his apartment and has no health insurance. I have not seen this guy in years and while I want to help I hardly know him anymore. I am not going to offer to let him move in with me but I could try and help with the cost of treatment.

So, my question is… does anyone one know how much this would cost to have done if you did not have any insurance? Would he need radiation therapy or other medications afterwards? Just looking for a ballpark figure.

KJ
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1. "RE: Questions about surgery cost with no insurance..."
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   Has a biopsy been done ? CT or MRI scan ? Please find out if it is a seminoma, choriocarcinoma, or what ? How old is he ?

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2. "RE: Questions about surgery cost with no insurance..."
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   I really don't know, he didn't want to talk about it. He's 29.

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3. "What is testicular cancer?"
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LAST EDITED ON 22-Jul-10 AT 06:54 AM (PST)
 
After the cancer is found and staged, your doctor will talk to you about treatment choices. You should take time and think about all of the choices. In choosing a treatment plan, things to consider include the type and stage of the cancer, as well as your overall physical health. You might also want to check with another doctor for a second opinion. This can give you more information and help you feel good about the choice you make. Some insurance companies even require a second opinion before they will agree to pay for treatments.

Where you are treated is important. There is no substitute for experience; you will have the best chance for a good outcome if you go to a hospital that treats many testicular cancer patients.

The 3 main methods of treatment for testicular cancer are surgery, radiation therapy, and chemotherapy.


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What is testicular cancer?
Testicular cancer is cancer in one or both testicles. It is most often found in young men. This type of cancer can be treated and very often cured.

The testicles
The testicles (or testes) are part of the male reproductive system. In adult men, each one is normally a little smaller than a golf ball. They are held in a sac of skin called the scrotum. The scrotum hangs beneath the base of the penis.

The testicles make the male hormones testosterone. They also make sperm. Sperm cells are carried from the testicles through small tubes (the vas deferens) to the seminal vesicles. Fluid from the vesicles and from the prostate gland is added. During ejaculation (orgasm), this fluid, now called semen, travels through a tube (the urethra) in the center of the penis and out of the body

The testicles have several kinds of cells. The different cells may develop into one or more types of cancer. It is important to know which kind of cell the cancer started from because these types of cancer are treated differently. They also differ in the chance of survival for the patient (prognosis).

Main types of testicular tumors
•Germ cell tumors are the most common type of testicular tumors. Germ cell tumors grow in the cells that make sperm.
•Stromal tumors grow in other parts of the testicles like the cells that make hormones.
•Secondary testicular tumors are from cancer that has spread to the testicles from other parts of the body.
Each of the 3 types is explained in more detail below.

Germ cell tumorsMore than 9 out of 10 of cancers of the testicles start in the germ cells. As used here, the term "germ" means seed. These are the cells that make sperm.

The 2 main types of germ cell tumors are seminomas and nonseminomas.

Seminomas start from germ cells of the testicle that make sperm. Within this group there are also subtypes. Seminomas usually happen in men between their late 30s and early 50s.

Nonseminomas tend to develop earlier in life than seminomas. They are often found in men between their late teens and early 40s. There are 4 main subtypes. Most tumors are mixed, having at least 2 different subtypes. But all nonseminoma germ cell cancers are treated the same way, so the exact type is not that important.

Carcinoma in situ: Testicular germ cell cancers may begin as a non-invasive form of the disease called carcinoma in situ (CIS). Carcinoma in situ may not always go on to become invasive cancer. It can take about 5 years for CIS to progress to the invasive form of germ cell cancer.

It is hard to find CIS because it often causes no symptoms and may not form a lump that you or the doctor can feel. Some cases are found by chance in men who have a testicular biopsy for some other reason, such as infertility.

Experts don't agree about the best treatment for CIS. Since CIS doesn't always become an invasive cancer, many doctors in this country suggest watching and waiting to be the best course of action.

Stromal tumorsTumors can also grow in the cells that make hormones and in the supportive tissues (the stroma) of the testicles. Stromal cell tumors are often benign (not cancer). They usually do not spread beyond the testicle and can be cured by taking them out. But a few stromal cell tumors spread to other parts of the body (metastasize). Metastatic stromal cell tumors have a poor outlook because they do not respond well to chemotherapy or radiation treatment. The 2 main types of stromal tumors are Leydig cell tumors and Sertoli cell tumors.

Secondary testicular tumors Secondary testicular tumors start in another organ and then spread to the testicle. Lymphoma is the most common cancer that does this. Among men over age 50, testicular lymphoma is more common than tumors that start in the testicle. Their outlook depends on the type and stage of lymphoma. The usual treatment is to remove the testicle. Surgery is followed by radiation and/or chemotherapy. In boys with acute leukemia, the leukemia cells can sometimes form a tumor in the testicle.

Cancers of the prostate, lung, skin, kidney, and other organs can also spread to the testicles. The outlook for these cancers is usually poor. That's because these cancers have generally spread widely to other organs, too. Treatment depends on the exact type of cancer.


Surgery

Surgery is often the first treatment for testicular cancer.

Radical inguinal orchiectomyAll stages of testicular cancer are treated with surgery. The testicle (or testicles) with cancer are taken out of the scrotum through a cut (incision) in the groin. The surgeon also cuts through the spermatic cord that attaches the testicle to the belly (abdomen). This is known as a radical inguinal orchiectomy. If both testicles are removed, you can no longer make sperm cells and can no longer father children (you become infertile).

Retroperitoneal lymph node dissectionDepending on the type and stage of your cancer, some lymph nodes behind the belly (abdomen) may also be removed. This can be done at the same time or during a second operation. This operation is called a retroperitoneal lymph node dissection. A large cut (incision) is often needed to remove these lymph nodes. This is a difficult and long operation. It should be done by a surgeon who does them often.

In some cases, the surgeon can remove lymph nodes through very small cuts in the belly. A narrow lighted tube with a camera (called a laparoscope) is used to see. Long, thin tools are put in the cuts to do the surgery. Although there are advantages to this type of surgery-- for example, the patient recovers much more quickly-- there is not yet agreement about whether it is as good as the standard operation. This approach should only be used if the surgeon has a lot of experience with this surgery.

How treatment can affect sexualitySurgery to remove lymph nodes behind the belly can damage nearby nerves that control sexual climax (ejaculation). If these nerves are damaged, when a man has a climax the sperm do not go out of the body. Instead, they go into the bladder. Damage to these nerves does not affect a man's ability to have an erection, but may make him unable to father children (infertile). To avoid this problem, surgeons have developed nerve-sparing surgery) that has a very high rate of success when done by a doctor with a lot of experience.

If both testicles are removed a man cannot make testosterone. He will need to take supplements, either in the form of a gel, patches, or a shot. As a rule, testosterone pills don't work.

Testicular cancer often affects men at an age when they are trying to have children. These men may wish to talk about nerve-sparing surgery with their doctors. They may also want to talk about storing frozen sperm cells before treatment (sperm banking). Men with testicular cancer often have lower than normal sperm counts, which may make sperm banking hard. You should talk about this with your doctor when making treatment choices.

When a testicle is removed, that side of the scrotum looks and feels empty. Men with testicular cancer are usually young. They may be single and dating. Or they may be athletic and feel embarrassed by the missing testicle when in locker rooms. A man can have an artificial testicle (prosthesis) placed in his scrotum to give a more natural look. The prosthesis approved for use in the United States is filled with salt water (saline). It comes in many sizes to match the other testicle. It can look much like a normal testicle. There may be a scar after the surgery, but it is often partly hidden by pubic hair. Some men want to have prosthesis and others do not. You should discuss your wishes with your surgeon as you think about this surgery. It may also help to talk with someone who has had a testicular prosthesis, to see what their experience was like.

Losing a testicle usually has no effect on a man's ability to get an erection and have sex. Men who have had both testicles removed are also still able to have sex as long as they are getting enough testosterone.

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4. "Testicular surgery cost with no insurance..."
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Kylie, without knowing more details about your brother's diagnosis it's difficult to project/estimate what the surgery costs would be.

Most doctors will work with their patients and offer them some sort of discount. However, the hospital may not.

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Here's are some costs that a insured patient incurred to have surgery in the Mid-West. My guess is being uninsured you could easily triple the cost, if not more.


You may also want to call top surgeons. http://www.topsurgeons.com/urology/testicular-cancer.php


IowaBrian09-21-06, 09:19 PM
This is in no way intended to scare anyone off from surgery and treatment there is no price that can be put on your life. If you have trouble paying your med bills talk to the providers most will take a payment over many months at ZERO interest.

Cost before any insurance reduced the bill in a city of 100,000 plus.
This is more of a real world cost I know there are numbers out there but they seemed very old and out dated.

I will update this with what insurance has allowed to the provider and my out of pocket, in the future.

But every visit there is a 20.00 co-pay which along with the 90-10 network insurance split for hospital charges, is my out of pocket cost.

Before Surgery 4-28-06
First visit to GP 79.00
Ultrasound 373.32
Ultrasound Radiology reading 79.00
Urologist Pre surgery visit 214.00
CT Scan W/O Contrast 1,721.58
CT Scan Contrast 1,815.06
Chest Xray 185.09
Rad Fee CT & X ray 507.00
Blood Work Lab 426.70

Total 5,400.75

Day of Surgery 5-1-06
Hospital Fee 4,460.99
Doctor’s Fee Removal of Testis 1,550.00
Anesthesia 612.00
Path Report 386.00

Total 7,008.99

Urologist Follow Visits and Test Ordered by Uro
5-5-06 87.00
5-5-06 Blood Work BHCG 49.50
5-15-06 NO CHARGE
6-9-06 69.00
6-14-06 Ultrasound ****
6-14-06 Ultrasound Rad Fee 196.00
8-28-06 Doctor Visit ****
3-5-07 Doctor Visit

Total 401.50

Oncologist Visits and Test Ordered by Onc at Cancer Center
First Visit will need to get billing ****
5-17-06 Chest CT Contrast 793.00
5-17-06 Rad Fee for CT 211.00
6-20-06 Doctor visit 82.00
6-20-06 Blood work 53.00
6-20-06 Chest X ray 266.00
6-20-06 Rad Fee Chest X ray 30.00
7-24-06 Doctor Visit 82.00
7-24-06 Blood Work 53.00
7-24-06 Chest X Ray 266.00
7-24-06 Rad Fee Chest X ray 30.00
8-24-06 CT Scan Contrast *****
8-24-06 Rad Fee CT Scan *****
8-29-06 Doctor visit *****
8-29-06 Blood work *****
10-2-06 Doctor Visit

Total 1,866.00

**** = waiting for bill or researching the billed amount

This so far is all of the BIG bills you could add 100.00 for other items.
My cancer center has a CT scanner, Digital X Ray and has their own lab so I can kill many birds with one stone or visit or co-pay

Don09-21-06, 11:01 PM
This is in no way intended to scare anyone off from surgery and treatment there is no price that can be put on your life. If you have trouble paying your med bills talk to the providers most will take a payment over many months at ZERO interest.
Cost before any insurance reduced the bill in a city of 100,000 plus.
This is more of a real world cost I know there are numbers out there but they seemed very old and out dated.
I will update this with what insurance has allowed to the provider and my out of pocket, in the future.
But every visit there is a 20.00 co-pay which along with the 90-10 network insurance split for hospital charges, is my out of pocket cost.

Before Surgery 4-28-06
First visit to GP 79.00
Ultrasound 373.32
Ultrasound Radiology reading 79.00
Urologist Pre surgery visit 214.00
CT Scan W/O Contrast 1,721.58
CT Scan Contrast 1,815.06
Chest Xray 185.09
Rad Fee CT & X ray 507.00
Blood Work Lab 426.70

Total 5,400.75

Day of Surgery 5-1-06
Hospital Fee 4,460.99
Doctor’s Fee Removal of Testis 1,550.00
Anesthesia 612.00
Path Report 386.00

Total 7,008.99

Urologist Follow Visits and Test Ordered by Uro
5-5-06 87.00
5-5-06 Blood Work BHCG 49.50
5-15-06 NO CHARGE
6-9-06 69.00
6-14-06 Ultrasound ****
6-14-06 Ultrasound Rad Fee 196.00
8-28-06 Doctor Visit ****
3-5-07 Doctor Visit

Total 401.50

Oncologist Visits and Test Ordered by Onc at Cancer Center
First Visit will need to get billing ****
5-17-06 Chest CT Contrast 793.00
5-17-06 Rad Fee for CT 211.00
6-20-06 Doctor visit 82.00
6-20-06 Blood work 53.00
6-20-06 Chest X ray 266.00
6-20-06 Rad Fee Chest X ray 30.00
7-24-06 Doctor Visit 82.00
7-24-06 Blood Work 53.00
7-24-06 Chest X Ray 266.00
7-24-06 Rad Fee Chest X ray 30.00
8-24-06 CT Scan Contrast *****
8-24-06 Rad Fee CT Scan *****
8-29-06 Doctor visit *****
8-29-06 Blood work *****
10-2-06 Doctor Visit

Total 1,866.00

**** = waiting for bill or researching the billed amount

This so far is all of the BIG bills you could add 100.00 for other items.

My cancer center has a CT scanner, Digital X Ray and has their own lab so I can kill many birds with one stone or visit or co-pay

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5. "RE: Questions about surgery cost with no insurance..."
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I helped with surgical hospital costs for a female relative with fibroid tumors. She had no medical insurance.

She researched and found one of the best physician/surgeons who would do more than just a hysterectomy and maintain her fertility when removing the tumors.

The doctor gave her a substantial discount for her surgery and his office worked with my relative to get a discount from the hospital, about a third of the cost that the hospital charges.

Interestingly when she first contacted the hospital to get an exact cost she was told that what they charge for a procedure depends on how much the insurance will pay.

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9. "RE: surgery cost with no insurance... ~$30-50k"
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   The link below gives the approximate costs of diagnosis and treatment
http://tcrc.acor.org/costs.html

Te link below is fairly informative in the staging and treatment:
http://www.wikidoc.org/index.php/Testicular_cancer

Many years ago I did research in this area and among many did development of the chemotherapy protocol that later was the type that cured Lance Armstrong of testicular cancer; he had disease all over including the brain.

It is important to know that testicular cancer is highly curable if staged and treated appropriately. Because of the curability and relative low prevalence, my bias is for these patients to go to academic institutions that have specialists in this disease that are up on the latest.

The key in this particular case will be to find the best that will take indigent care or under insured. There is a National cancer Institute funded community program in Montana, btw that might give guidance.

Key to the success is appropriate staging, that is to see if the cancer is only in the testicle, or has spread to the lymph nodes in the abdomen and/or beyond. Therefore it is likely that staging will include sampling of the abdominal lymph nodes and depending on the findings RPLND, which are the initials for retroperitoneal lymph node dissection, that is, removal of the lymph nodes in the abdomen. Hence, the upper boundaries of the cost estimate. In addition there are lot of scans and blood tests, some of the blood tests are very specific for testicular cancer.

Also depending on the surgical findings and tissue type (pathology) and other characteristics, therapy such as radiation therapy and adjuvant chemotherapy may be given, adjuvant chemo is chomo that is given after removal by surgery all of the visible cancer... the key here is to kill any/all of the remaining microscopic cancer (that can't be seen).

The approach is basically analogous to breast cancer, where long term remission (and maybe cure) of early disease is lumpectomy removing the lump), sampling lymph nodes, and following with radiation therapy and or chemotherapy.

Due to the curative nature of testicular cancer and young age, sperm banking is done.

Feel free to inbox me- good luck.

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10. "Disagree with humangenome"
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   LAST EDITED ON 24-Jul-10 AT 10:38 PM (PST)
 
>It is important to know that testicular cancer is highly
>curable if staged and treated appropriately.


What ? One must be very careful when making such a statement. Choriocarcinoma of the testicle would never be termed "highly curable." It metastasizes early and fails to respond to radiation and/or chemotherapy. It has a very high mortality rate.

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11. "RE: MarcusW your splitting a small hair"
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   Marcus it is true that Choriocarcinomas do not do well, but they represent <1% of testicular tumors. So you are brining up a small point to make someone's post look poorly.

If one looks at the aggregate data of testicular cancer, it has a high cure rate. One could agree that aggregates do not fit any one particular patient. Within any cancer type that an oncologist would deem "curable"to a large degree, such as childhood luekemia and lymphoma, and testicular cancer, there are always histopathological subtypes or molecular subsets that do better and worse than others.

Testicular cancer has one of the highest cure rates of all cancers: in excess of 90 percent; essentially 100 percent if it has not metastasized. Even for the relatively few cases in which malignant cancer has spread widely, chemotherapy offers a cure rate of at least 85 percent today.

The important point is that many types of testicular cancer are curable, and for these, the staging and appropriate treatment are critical. Delays in staging and treatment due to consideration of masculinity and what others think, while real, are counterproductive as well as looking at the glass half empty.

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12. "Not splitting hairs, just being accurate"
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   LAST EDITED ON 25-Jul-10 AT 12:45 PM (PST)
 
>Marcus it is true that Choriocarcinomas do not do well, but
>they represent <1% of testicular tumors. So you are brining
>up a small point to make someone's post look poorly.

You don't know intentions, and it was not my intention. The intention was only to post accurately so that nothing is misleading. This point is not small for those who suffer with "chorio" and it was never indicated that your post was "poor".

>Even for the relatively few cases
>in which malignant cancer has spread widely, chemotherapy
>offers a cure rate of at least 85 percent today.


Again, your wide-sweeping generalization is flawed. This is absolutely not true for metastatic choriocarcinoma. It is extremely rare that any man with chorio will survive for five years.

With a seminoma, the 5-year survival is reported to be 95% for stage I disease and 85-90% for stage 2 disease. For nonseminomatous germ cell tumors the 5-year survival rate is 86% for stage I disease. The survival rate for teratocarcinomas is only 70%.


>The important point is that many types of testicular cancer
>are curable, and for these, the staging and appropriate
>treatment are critical. Delays in staging and treatment due
>to consideration of masculinity and what others think, while
>real, are counterproductive as well as looking at the glass
>half empty.

Correct. The operative word = many.

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13. "RE: Not splitting hairs, just being accurate"
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Someone just told me of a young man (30 year old) who was applying for MediCal benefits. He has terminal testicular cancer (type unknown to me). The point is that whatever is going to be done should be done soon to avoid the cancer metatasizing.

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18. "RE: Not splitting hairs, just being accurate"
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   <He has terminal testicular
>cancer (type unknown to me). The point is that whatever is
>going to be done should be done soon to avoid the cancer
>metatasizing.

Exactly the point, because so many patients can do well, get prompt evaluation, diagnosis and treatment. One must also remember the importance of testicular self-examination as a preventative or early diagnostic measure.

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14. "RE: Questions about surgery cost with no insurance..."
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LAST EDITED ON 27-Jul-10 AT 03:10 PM (PST)
 
I don't mean to sound cold hearted but if your brother was trying to reach out to you for assistance then he needs to "talk about it". If he refuses then you need to think that there could be some other reason that he's looking for $$. My prostate cancer surgery and subsequent treatment has cost over $250,000.00 at City of Hope. A year after the surgery the cancer returned in one of my lymph nodes so it was on to radiation. A person with cancer needs to talk to their family, no matter how estranged they have been. A person with cancer won't suddenly become better by not "talking about it".

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15. "RE: Questions about surgery cost with no insurance..."
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I did not read all the answers here, so sorry if I am being repetive, but, he may qualify for some type of low cost health insurance or free health insurance which of course I know zip about, but worth a search. Bummer.


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16. "RE: Questions about surgery cost with no insurance..."
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Depending upon his income and his assets, he may qualify for MediCal. He should immediately contact the Health and Human Services Department in the county where he lives to apply for MediCal (if he is in California) or Medicaid (if he lives outside this state). The young man I mentioned above was diagnosed with testicular cancer only 4 months ago. Therefore, your brother should not delay in seeking assistance and treatment.

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17. "RE: Questions about surgery cost with no insurance..."
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TheHorse, hope you are doing well and that you make a full recovery.

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21. "RE: Questions about surgery cost with no insurance..."
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   >I don't mean to sound cold hearted but if your brother was
>trying to reach out to you for assistance then he needs to
>"talk about it". If he refuses then you need to think that
>there could be some other reason that he's looking for $$.
>My prostate cancer surgery and subsequent treatment has cost
>over $250,000.00 at City of Hope. A year after the surgery
>the cancer returned in one of my lymph nodes so it was on to
>radiation. A person with cancer needs to talk to their
>family, no matter how estranged they have been. A person
>with cancer won't suddenly become better by not "talking
>about it".
>
>Ride TheHorse, not a cowboy

Since I found out I have called him many times about it and he is opening up little by little. I got the info I needed (thanks to everyone here for helping me know what to ask), talked to the doctors at the clinic in MT and we (myself and other family members) are working on a way to get him to CA for treatment. Funding in Montana is crappy for stuff like this I guess.

Of course it's much more complicated than I thought it would be as apparently he has an old warrant for driving on a suspended license in CA that has accrued quite a balance. He needs to deal with that first so he can get a CA ID and apply for assistance. He has a job and was getting trained to use a forklift, etc. but I guess they found out he has no drivers license (same thing up there, DUI and driving on a suspended) so he was demoted to min wage (not much up there) and had his hours cut. So he makes enough to rent an RV in some dude yard and get high.

Really it's a mess and he's a mess which is why we don't talk much but you are right he needs to talk about it with someone. Sadly I think he has opted for drugs (he's an oxy addict) rather than deal with it. Actually I think the only reason he even told me is he's in an outpatient rehab right now. (yes, I checked) It's hard to see a family member turn their life to total crap but I have to put limits on my help. I've been down this road before and been taken for a ride.

Anyway, this is just tip of the iceberg of crap that has hit the fan lately so I digress to more uplifting topics. Thanks for the help and info.

KJ
Yeah, I know... but I can't help it.

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Kylie,

Wish you and your brother the best. Hope everything works out. Unfortunately, when we all hit rock bottom, family and close friends is all we are left with.

Cheers,
- blue thrills


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   I know this response doesn't help with your question but I just had to get it out. I think it's borderline criminal that the medical services industry in this country has #1 made it virtually impossible for a patient to understand before treatment what the costs will be, and #2 rigged their billing practices to bill uninsured individuals 3-10 times what they bill insurance companies. In this day and age of massive computing power and the internet there's no excuse for these organizations not to provide an easy to access easy to understand estimate of costs for all but the most obscure treatments. The only reason I can figure they don't is to protect their profits.

Sorry for the soap box.

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   I had a situaton where my 38 year old fiance got lung cancer and we had horrendous medical bills. Two things helped us, the American Cancer Society is a wealth of information about programs and about medical help and also family support for you. Also we were able to get the bills paid by Medical and Medicare thru their disability programs. We also got the drug company to fund thru their charity, the chemo. You have to be persistant and work really hard but you can make a difference if you realy work at it. Good luck.

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Shit!
The boy is from Montana. A bottle of Jack and let the rancher do it. There isn't a lot of bleeding from a scrotum and the testicle once removed can be seared off with a branding iron. A couple Bayer aspirins in the morning and a lot of ice for swelling.

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