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"Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
 
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57407128/is-sugar-toxic/

Dr. Robert Lustig is on 60 minutes this Sunday.

Is sugar toxic?

(CBS News) Dr. Robert Lustig, a pediatric endocrinologist at the University of California, believes the high amount of sugar in the American diet, much of it in processed foods, is killing us. And as Dr. Sanjay Gupta reports, new scientific research seems to support his theory that sugar is toxic, including some linking the excess ingestion of sugars to heart disease. Gupta's report will be broadcast on 60 Minutes Sunday, April 1 at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

Americans are now consuming nearly 130 pounds of added sugars per person, per year. Those include both sugar and high fructose corn syrup. And while many vilify high fructose corn syrup and believe it is worse than sugar, Dr. Lustig says metabolically there is no difference. "They are basically equivalent. The problem is they're both bad. They're both equally toxic," he says.

Dr. Lustig treats sick, obese children, who he believes are primarily sick because of the amount of sugar they ingest. He says this sugar not only leads to obesity, but to "Type 2 diabetes, hypertension and heart disease itself." Something needs to be done says Dr. Lustig. "Ultimately, this is a public health crisis...you have to do big things and you have to do them across the board," he tells Gupta. "Tobacco and alcohol are perfect examples," he says, referring to the regulations imposed on their consumption and the warnings on their labels. "I think sugar belongs in this exact same wastebasket."

A recent study supports the idea that excess consumption of high fructose corn syrup is linked to an increase in risk factors for heart disease by increasing a type of cholesterol that can clog arteries. The University of California, Davis, study also indicated that calories from added sugars are different than those from other foods. Subjects had 25 percent of their caloric intake replaced with sweetened drinks. Nutritional biologist Kimber Stanhope was surprised to see that after only two weeks, "We found that the subjects who consumed high fructose corn syrup had increased levels of LDL cholesterol and other risk factors for cardiovascular disease," she tells Gupta. "I started eating and drinking a whole lot less sugar."

What happens says Stanhope, is the liver gets overloaded with fructose and converts come of it into fat, which gets into the bloodstream to create "small dense LDL," the kind of LDL that forms plaque in arteries. The irony here is that for precisely that reason - avoiding heart disease - a government commission in the 1970s mandated that we lower our fat consumption. "When you take the fat out of food, it tastes like cardboard," says Dr. Lustig. "And the food industry knew that, so they replaced it with sugar...and guess what? Heart disease, metabolic syndrome, diabetes and death are skyrocketing," he tells Gupta.

And other scientific work shows that sugar could also be helping some cancer tumors to grow because sugar stimulates the production of the hormone insulin. Nearly a third of common cancers such as some breast and colon cancers, contain insulin receptors that eventually signal the tumor to consume glucose. Lewis Cantley, a Harvard professor and head of the Beth Israel Deaconess Cancer Center, says some of those cancers have learned to adapt to an insulin-rich environment. "They have evolved the ability to hijack that flow of glucose that's going by in the bloodstream into the tumor itself."

What does the sugar industry have to say about this? Gupta spoke with Jim Simon, a member of the board of the Sugar Association. "To say that the American consuming public is going to omit, eliminate sweeteners out of their diet, I don't think gets us there," he says. Simon points out that the science is "not completely clear" and it's wrong to single out one food because the real emphasis should be on long-term reduction of calories, balanced diet and exercise.


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1. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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For more solid information about SUGAR watch
this clip for 90 minutes.

http://www.hungryforchange.tv/


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2. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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   It sound like bullshit. He there to make money.

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17. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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>It sound like bullshit. He there to make money.


Ignorant comment much?


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4. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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   Best use of sugar is as a therapeutic agent, poured onto an open cut or wound. It works well and shortens healing time.

As for ingesting it

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5. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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First fat was bad, now sugar is bad. Maybe people just eat too goddamn much in general?

For a highly informed, skeptical take on Lustig's analysis, see:

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/02/19/a-retrospective-of-the-fructose-alarmism-debate/

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8. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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Let's consider. Around World War I average consumption of sugar in the US was 40 pounds per person per year.

Now they say it's around 160 pounds per year.

I'm not even mentioning the refined flour and rice.

Think that there might be some relationship with the obesity/diabetes epidemic?

Just asking.

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10. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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Lustig seems to be saying that there is something about fructose per se that is bad for you. I'm suggesting that it maybe simpler: that it is the gross overconsumption of sugar/fructose that is the problem--and I would say that 160 lbs. a year is pretty gross. Combine that with significant underconsumption of fibrous, nutrient dense vegetables and fruits, and you have problems.

You need to look at the whole nutritional ecology, not just point to one ingredient and say that it's the problem. Remember when fat was bad? Did people give up cream sauces and switch to a healthy diet based on vegetables, fruits, with some whole grains and lean meats? No--they cut out the oil and loaded up on shitty, nutritionally empty food like Snackwells cookies while deluding themselves into believe that they were being more healthy.

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9. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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   >First fat was bad, now sugar is bad. Maybe people just eat
>too goddamn much in general?

That point has been made repeatedly. I remember a Sixty Minutes piece on the 'French Conundrum'. The French have a diet that has lot of fat. Yet they have a much lower rate of obesity than the US. Turns out the French do two things different. First they eat 400 cal/day less than Americans. And second they eat a lot for fresh fruits and veggies.


>For a highly informed, skeptical take on Lustig's analysis,
>see:
>
>http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
>
>http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/02/19/a-retrospective-of-the-fructose-alarmism-debate/

The guy makes some good points. But sugar probably is worse than he concludes. We know that increased sugar consumption leads to glucose modification of proteins, and this in turn alters how these proteins are handled. What the health implications of this are is not as clear.

Obesity is linked to early death, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, osteoporosis, and kidney stones. To the extent that sugar contributes to obesity, it contributes to these health issues.

Picking on a single element as 'the' cause is tough to prove. There is no doubt that excess salt and sugar are contributors to negative health outcomes. But how much is really tough to pin down. Worse you have food industry groups publishing 'data' that minimizes any negatives associated with their food.

It is safe to say that we should cut down on sugar and HFC syrup.


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11. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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   1. Fuck sugar, fuck me

2. Speaking from an addict's perspective, Sugar affects the brain in the same way as cocaine

3. Read Gary Taubes book, Why we get Fat

4. Watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3078688594861957257

In the Charlie Rose show video, with Dr. Oz sitting in for Charlie, Taubes pretty much rips the everybody on the round table

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13. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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In keeping it simple: sugar is in everything.
The key thing to do is in how to moderate it.
The other problem I see is in ingesting the artificial sweeteners in diet drinks and such.
Does anyone know how much harm those really do? I'd imagine its worse than real sugar.

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14. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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   Sugar makes you fat. Thats pretty well established. Fat does not make you fat. Also well established. I cut carbs to less than 150 grams/day and lost 20 lbs with no effort or any other major dietary change. As a result my cholesterol numbers went down also. I completely cut out refined sugars (I still eat some fruit) and refined grains (white bread, rice, pasta etc). I eat as much meat as I like as well as eggs and dairy. I do eat more veggies also. Used to have a 2 coke/day habit and I dropped it for an occasional (2X/week) diet soda.

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15. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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Excess calories make you fat. No studies in which portions were carefully controlled (as opposed to self-reports, which are notoriously inaccurate) have ever shown a significant difference in weight loss between lower- and higher-carb diets, assuming the same calories are ingested and expended.

The reason why low-carb works for some people is that it controls satiety (the feeling of fullness after a meal) better than high-carb diets. Notice I said "some" people--it's not true for everyone. There is a lot of individual variability in the way people react to different diets.

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16. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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   Many people (not all) have their hunger stimulated by simple carbs like sugar, hfcs, rapidly digested white flour. Although this statement does not apply to all people it does apply to all fat people.

Fat people are not fat because they didn't notice their weight; they are fat because they eat too much and can't stop.

Processed food is engineered to taste good and create both physical and pschological cravings for more processed food.

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19. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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I cut all carbs except for those naturally occurring in low-glycemic fruits and vegetables and am losing weight too.

I don't drink alcohol and never drank sweet tea or sodas -
but was addicted to artificial sweetner in my coffee, tea and carbs like crackers n' cheese, pasta & sour dough bread late at night.

After "eating clean" for nearly six weeks now, I don't even crave rice, pastas or bread made with refined flour anymore.

One piece of sprouted, whole grain, flax seed toast paired with a poached egg (in the morning) sustains me until lunch.

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18. "RE: Dr. Robert Lustig on 60 Minutes Sunday: Is Sugar Toxic?"
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Since my arrival in this great land back in 1973, I have witnessed the gradual degrading of its population's abilities in the areas of critical thinking and the good old common sense.

Well should I say any more?

Think about it!


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