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"What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
 
   If you get all the way to the interview date, what's the chances that a fiancee visa to the USA gets denied? If denied after the interview, what are the reasons given by the US officials?

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1. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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You may be confusing a fiance visa with a green card.

No interview is necessary for a fiance visa. You must be a U.S. citizen, you must be able to marry (i.e. not already married), and you must prove that you and the girl intend to marry and have personally met each other. That's it.

Of course, if you have applied for a fiance visa for 5 different girls in the last 12 months, then the USCIS might frown on that. Or if the girl is a convicted felon, or a member of a know terrorist organization, that could hurt her chances. But, as a U.S. citizen, you have the right to bring a woman here for marriage. Simple as that.

Assuming, of course, that you really intend to get married.

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2. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 20-Jan-10 AT 00:07 AM (PST)
 
If you are getting a fiancee visa for a Thai girl, your girl will absolutely need to have an interview at the American Embassy (Bangkok in our case, though I believe there is another in Chang Mai).

I have just been through the complete process and my TGF now has been approved for a visa that she will pick up tomorrow. Yesterday actually was her interview.

There are numerous documents and a specific process for obtaining the visa. If your girl knows you well, your life, family, children, etc, and speaks reasonable English, she will do fine at the interview.

I can give you more details about the interview, but apparently in my girls case it turned out to be really simple. There are about 40 questions that they could ask, but my girl was only asked about 5 questions and was in and out of the interview in 15 minutes.
They mostly looked through our package which has numerous documents with proof of a real relationship. Photos, phone records, visa stamps (mine), emails, texts, detailed info about my finances, etc.

Any specific questions, feel free to inbox me.

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3. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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Skylar is correct. There is an interview even for a Financee visa.
My coworker who meet his TGF from Peppermint gogo in Pattaya went through this process.
He mentioned to me that its important for the girl to show that there is a reason for her to actually come back to Thailand (ie owning a restuarant, kids, family, etc)

Hope this helps.

Ampers Unite!

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4. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   >Skylar is correct. There is an interview even for a
>Financee visa.
>My coworker who meet his TGF from Peppermint gogo in Pattaya
>went through this process.
>He mentioned to me that its important for the girl to show
>that there is a reason for her to actually come back to
>Thailand (ie owning a restuarant, kids, family, etc)
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Ampers Unite!


"A compelling reason to return" is for a tourist visa, NOT a fiance visa. I have pointed people to various social services that assist in this matter, and there has been a lot of crap info given by some here, such as "she can over stay the fiance visa by 30 days..." and "...you can do it again next year NO problem..." (bullshit).

The bottom line is, she will be interviewed, and you have 90 days to marry. The reasons she can be denied are numerous, mainly but not limited to "...poor moral character (whatever that means), convicted felon, known to have Aids/HIV or other infectious diseases. Already married etc...

Once again, for anyone who is thinking of paying a hell of a lot for nothing to an immigration lawyer, first try the "friend service committee" or the Catholic social services. Both, and maybe other groups have people on staff who deal with this shit day in and day out, who have been trained by INS...you will save a lot of time, money and headache.

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5. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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Skylar is correct and they just did it. A lot of the other answers are not so correct and should be ignored so as not to muddy the waters.
Jack

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6. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   She can overstay for 30 days no problem. You can apply for another fiancée visa for the same girl one year from the date of return no problem. I stand
by both these statements. Maybe the friend service comitee or the Catholics should go see a good overpriced lawyer. No crap.

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7. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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In my experience. Immigration has carte blanche on this situation. A fiancee visa is by no means a guarantee. I've been through it. If the official in charge doesn't like the way you look they can deny it. Its best just to what they ask, be non-combative and smile, and thank them for their hard work and do it sincerely. The officials seem pretty good at sniffing out fake fiancee requests.

Coocoo

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8. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 20-Jan-10 AT 11:54 AM (PST)
 
>She can overstay for 30 days no problem. You can apply for
>another fiancée visa for the same girl one year from the
>date of return no problem. I stand
>by both these statements. Maybe the friend service comitee
>or the Catholics should go see a good overpriced lawyer. No
>crap.


Ok, lets argue...or not. Fact is, you are the whim and will of the person doing your paper work. An over stay can cause problems, should she return home, and then want another fiance visa later. She has shown that she will NOT abide by the rules. I have known of several people who have run into problems doing what you say can be done easily. Expensive lawyers could not help.

For simple no hassle paper work, you really don't need the lawyers, you can do it yourself. The services I suggested are for the straight foreword stuff. I went through the process with an ex wife from the PI and the lawyers were charging and charging for nothing...we used the service to straighten out some problems at a fraction of the cost. "I stand by that statement." Want to play games? ok maybe the lawyer will find the loophole, maybe not.

Again, a lot has to do with the person at INS and how big of a hassle they want to give you. I work with a guy from India who had some small problem in the paper work. The agent handling his wife's application could have simply allowed it to go through with the necessary corrections, or she could have kicked it back and made them start all over again, which is what she did.


Most cases, a finance visa is little or no problem. Play the game right, and you should have no problems.

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11. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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That's true. She can overstay her visa all she wants. She can overstay for a year if she wants.

But if she leaves the U.S., she will never get another visa to return again.

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18. "absolutely need to have an interview"
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   if she's coming from Vietnam. Mine did. Skylars got it down.

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9. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   A lot depends on which country is the girl from, if you are 50 and your fiancée is 20 and coming from BKK she'll be asked a lot more questions than if you are 30 and she's 25 while holding a Singapore passport. http://visajourney.com/forums/index.php?act=home is a great place to start.

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10. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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If the required documents are in order ... unless there are undisclosed skeletons in the closet you should be good to go.

IF the visa is denied, you may be best served engaging an Immigration Lawyer.

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12. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 21-Jan-10 AT 02:00 AM (PST)
 
Let me be clear here, I am not trying to have a pissing contest. All I am saying is too many guys here say "...it is 100% always this way, don't worry." I am saying there is no absolute, and the law is the law, and can be held to the letter. I know many people who have been burned to the contrary of what some here swear by. Same as I hear guys swear prenupts are 100% full proof. I know people who would swear other wise on all accounts.

Before you go and spend big on an immigration lawyer who will charge you big time, full well knowing the likely answer ahead of time, check out the other options. To me, lawyers, especially immigration lawyers have their own interests at heart, not yours. Every paper you fill out or file, every phone call they make, every minute you talk to them, the more it costs you. From my own experience, and that of many others, I just don't trust them.

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13. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 21-Jan-10 AT 01:56 AM (PST)
 

If she says that she has worked in a bar...she will get denied....
New law passed by Obama will not disqualified her for being
HIV Positive any more.....

They had people at the embassy calling around and asking questions
about my girl...so make sure she denies ever working in any
Bar or Massage place...if that is your case...

Had my Thai Fiancee...came to the USA.... I got a lawyer...he
did a great job... I had a good job so no problem having some
one help her out...cause she had no idea what to do and where
to go....LOL

http://www.mythaifiancee.com/

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14. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   The thing is, I know a lot of guys who married whores, and they got in no problem. Most people I know do not use lawyers for the paper work/basic application stuff. If I may ask, how much did you spend in total to get her a fiance visa? will you marry her? or is this just a way to get her here for a visit? Inbox me if you prefer.

My ex wife was quoted almost $4000 to straighten out her paper work, we ended up paying I think less than $500 total using the service I mentioned.

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15. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 21-Jan-10 AT 08:40 AM (PST)
 
I used My Thai Fiance as well.
Everything went smooth as Jim Thompson silk.
$1,500 plus all embassy/application/health/police fees.
Well worth every penny.
Drove my gf to all appointments.
Explained the complete process in Thai.
Trained her for the interview. How to dress. What to say. What not to say.
Explained all the details to me.
Prepared our embassy package.
Most of all, I didn't have to deal with any Thai red tape.

I would agree with 2 things stated here..
Weird things can happen that can hold up the process for months.
And, there is some bad information in this thread from folks who don't know the current in's and out's. (Fillmore-Not directed towards you. If money is an issue and you spend the time to read other forums for info and are very careful with the process, it is not rocket science to get a fiancé visa and save the attorney fees. Is rocket science still a difficult field of expertise?).

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22. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   >I used My Thai Fiance as well.
>Everything went smooth as Jim Thompson silk.
>$1,500 plus all embassy/application/health/police fees.
>Well worth every penny.
>Drove my gf to all appointments.
>Explained the complete process in Thai.
>Trained her for the interview. How to dress. What to say.
>What not to say.
>Explained all the details to me.
>Prepared our embassy package.
>Most of all, I didn't have to deal with any Thai red tape.

i'm a cheap bastard most times. i just went through the process and did it all myself.

however, you've touched on an important aspect of it that most of us can NOT do ourselves, and in some cases, i think is definitely worth the money -- and that's explaining it all to the thai fiance, instructing her what to do (tabian baan copies, birth certificates, etc...), how to handle the interview (attire, what to say and not to say), and making sure she gets there on time, etc...

i mean, how many of us would have any clue what she needs to do to obtain a copy of her tabian baan? it's not hard, but we don't have an equivalent. we can all google to find out some of it, but not all of it. and not everybody wants to spend that time.

i prep'd my wife for the interview, throwing trick questions at her, being mean (trust me, there are some interviewers in the embassy who are just plain mean... shamefully so in my opinion), and even telling her specifically what to wear. she handled her thai paperwork on her own, but i filled out the US forms for her. but not all fiances are "easily managed" that way.

having a thai-speaking (and preferably thai or at least a foreigner who knows the thai bureaucracy) professional guiding the thai applicant _may_ be extremely useful, and even necessary, depending on the thai fiance and the US spouse.

in my opinion, the benefit of hiring people to do this isn't (primarily) for you, it's for your fiance.

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16. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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Filmore, no offense taken.

Your point is well made. The person applying for a fiancee visa, or the fiancee, needs to fully understands the ins and outs of the process -- the paperwork, formalities of the interviews, etc. You can do this a number of ways.

If you have time, and the patience, you could do it yourself. If not, you could seek expert assistance either thru a well-qualified and reputable lawyer or other agencies.

Thanks fore sharing your insights.

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17. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   $1500 for the service Skylar used isn't all that bad, especially if it is "all inclusive" and they work with her on her end. As I said, I was quoted a lot more just to fill out some paper work, and that was years ago.

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25. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 30-Jan-10 AT 03:39 AM (PST)
 
I did the whole process myself and by getting involved I could anticipate any issues early. If you don't want to spend the time then hire a service.

Way before the interview I made sure my Finacee had all the required shots and vaccinations.

As far as the interview goes, I went with her to the interview. Yes I was very much allowed and go the interview with her. In fact, it made it go a lot smoother.


The process is fairly straight forward.

You prepare a packet and sent it to USCIS inside the US. After about 6 months you will receive notification and they will forward the packet to the Consulate. At that point your contact the Consulate through Email and they will open up a file for your Fiancee.

The next step is where the $1500 would come in handy. I basically prepared the form for my Fiance and she mailed then to the consulate.
After that she received an interview date.

What the $1500 fee will pay for is dotting all the I's and T's. Also, if your Fiancee needs a real job they can probably come up with some documentation that doesn't show she been working as a bar girl.

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23. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   >The thing is, I know a lot of guys who married whores, and
>they got in no problem. Most people I know do not use
>lawyers for the paper work/basic application stuff. If I may
>ask, how much did you spend in total to get her a fiance
>visa? will you marry her? or is this just a way to get her
>here for a visit? Inbox me if you prefer.
>
>My ex wife was quoted almost $4000 to straighten out her
>paper work, we ended up paying I think less than $500 total
>using the service I mentioned.

I paid like $1600.00 and it was great as I did not have to take her to
any of the places to get all the paperwork done in Thailand.....they did all this for her with her...it was great...she got her visa and came to visit me for a while...great time..will do it again..
I know the process, but in Thailand they want them in Thai and then in English...so too much running around and bullshit...I rather pay.

I did all the paperwork for my ex.wife and kid to come to the USA,
and all when well.....as the Philippines is all papers are in English..

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21. "RE: What are some reasons that Fiancee visas get denied?"
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   >If you get all the way to the interview date, what's the
>chances that a fiancee visa to the USA gets denied? If
>denied after the interview, what are the reasons given by
>the US officials?

they won't deny an applicant for any reason that isn't listed on the forms (and instructions) the applicant submitted to get to the interview phase.

so read the forms... do you make enough money? have you met the burden needed to prove the relationship is real? does the applicant have one of the barred diseases? is the applicant a felon? etc...

and most of it is binary. if the form says you need to make $x/year, and you make $x+1, you're good. if you make $x-1, you'll need a waiver, which you may or may not be able to obtain.

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