I particularly like working out as an excuse, because that gives you the excuse for being freshly showered, but of course that also requires you put in the ground work before you leave on a trip...

Friendly

Another thing is to pretend to get sick *stomache bug*.

ALWAYS do your homework before hand.

I also keep a shaving cream bottle that you can buy at Frys. It allows you to stash money in it. I always stash a wad in my fake shaving cream bottle. They sell cut-out books, soda cans where you can hide money. I also keep my notes on my cell phone for phone numbers, addresses and locations. I am surprised I haven't been caught.

Workouts at the gym is a novel idea, but I've never worked out on vacation before. And I never work out every day at home, so why on vacation when time is precious? And what, get a 7-day membership at a local club? Fishy again. Can't go to the hotel gym, she might stop by or work out too.

Returning a rental car only works once. Unless for some reason you're renting on 7 separate one day rentals instead of for one rental period of 7 days.

"Honey, I've got a stomach ache, I'll be back in 2 hours?" Wouldn't you be expected to go back to the hotel room and rest? And she'd stay in the room most likely or at least check in on me.

The other ideas are okay, but not for late night / early morning sessions when the clubs open. For example, Blacks or Help (if still there) don't open until like 9PM, right? Hot girls around midnight show up? Anybody got a good excuse to be away at those hours?

I appreciate the ideas everybody, it's jogging some other ideas, I know I'm trying to squeeze blood out of a stone, but thanks and keep 'em coming...

Not so good in places like Rio or Bangkok, where your wife is likely to say, "rental car? But we don't have a rental car!"

>Another thing is to pretend to get sick *stomache bug*.

Can be problematic with sympathetic wives that want to take you to the doctor.

>I also keep a shaving cream bottle that you can buy at Frys. It >allows you to stash money in it. I always stash a wad in my fake >shaving cream bottle. They sell cut-out books, soda cans where you >can hide money.

Please don't travel with any of these internationally! I can't remember which pop star got busted with pot in his shaving cream can, but the customs officials are familiar with most of these hiding places. For cash, a money belt or an extra stash of cash somewhere will work, and you can even tell the wife that you have a stash of cash for travelling, in case your wallet/passport got stolen...

>I also keep my notes on my cell phone for phone numbers, addresses >and locations. I am surprised I haven't been caught.

Dual sim handset is the only way to go- definitely a worthwhile investment to segregate your mongering life from your regular life...

>I appreciate all the responses to my post. Some wouldn't
>work though: we usually shop together, unfortunately, and
>it would be fishy to do it alone all of a sudden. Even
>suggesting a vacation for us in Rio might raise a red flag
>because we're more like the high end European vacation
>types, like Italy, etc. And Rio is known for sex and not
>much culture, not like France, etc.

If you are a high end vacationer, and willing to splash out some cash, then why not do something crazy like go to Rio during Mardi Gras? Things go on at all hours, and it's perfectly normal for even older people to party all night- but your wife is going to conk out at some point and want to go home, in which case you can keep going without her- you're only going to Mardi Gras once in your life, right?!

I do think South America is a perfectly respectable vacationing destination, and I don't think Rio is known for sex...

>Workouts at the gym is a novel idea, but I've never worked
>out on vacation before. And I never work out every day at
>home, so why on vacation when time is precious? And what,
>get a 7-day membership at a local club? Fishy again. Can't
>go to the hotel gym, she might stop by or work out too.

Running seems to be the key here, because of your wife wanting to join at the hotel gym. Yes, you'd really need to take it up before you leave. As to why run while on vacation- I've done it (for real!) even when I wasn't regularly running at home- it's an interesting way to see a part of the city you wouldn't see otherwise. Of course it wouldn't be something that you do at night...

>The other ideas are okay, but not for late night / early
>morning sessions when the clubs open. For example, Blacks
>or Help (if still there) don't open until like 9PM, right?
>Hot girls around midnight show up? Anybody got a good
>excuse to be away at those hours?

Think Help is closed now, and yes, in general there is no good excuse to be gone in the night hours- your wife will know that you can only get up to no good late at night!

Friendly

During which, of course, you zip over to the nearby FKK where you get sucked, fucked, and sauna'd into a totally-relaxed man who is always very happy to treat his wife to an expensive European spa day.

This only works, of course, if you're the type of guy that doesn't get manicures and doesn't give a shit about his hair products. Otherwise she'll figure you'll want to join her in her spa experience, while what you really want is a different kind of "wellness tag" at the FKK.

In Baden Baden, Germany, known for its spas since the days of the Roman Empire, FKK Flamingo Island is about 30 min away by rental car.

In Luzern, Switzerland, there are a bunch of great spas for the SO and Club Zeus is about 15 min away.

If you want to do the Frankfurt clubs you can set your SO up in a spa in one of the big hotels then say you're going to go to the casino in Bad Homburg, which is just on the other side of the A5 from Oase. Also provides an excuse for the 400 EUR you're gonna drop. There's a casino in Baden Baden too, if you want to "hang out gambling" while she's at the spa in that town.

Ahhh, Oh-Ah-Za. You've gotta go.

This is the best idea so far for me. (Although the "goin' fishin' with my buddy" didn't work too well in "Brokeback Mountain" )If I had a friend in another state, he could cover for me. Then I could go, no worry about her being around, etc., worry free. But no such friend anywhere, too old to start a genuine one like that out-of-state so there's an excuse to take a plane and be gone for a week.

We should do a version of vacation condo timeshare rentals. If a monger in New York wants a "friend" in California to cover for him while he mongers, he could do the same for me sometime. And we'd hook up through the internet for people with similar interests, like Redbook. Anybody got any ideas along these lines? Surely some of you magicians out there have thought of this. For Pete's Sake, there's www.ashleymadison.com for guys and girls who want anonymous extra-marital affairs! (BTW, anybody try that site, or is it just a scam to get your paid membership?) Where there's a demand, there must be a supply!

"she might put out an APB on me."

"there would be hell to pay when I got back, since she would probably guess something involving sex."

"unfortunately she's not as evolved and enlightened as some international mongers' wives are"

"we usually shop together, unfortunately,"

"Can't go to the hotel gym, she might stop by or work out too."

Well, the solution to your problem is simple... you need a new wife!

Leave her home, I took a few of my very close friends for trip to LOS when the wives needed to work, they could not go, they don;t have much vacation time, kids in school, we picked times when THEY / wives were busy and we were free to go -and we went to celebrate a milestone, such as a special birthday or a retirement, both worked.

Leave her home - is clearly the option, get creative, don;t ASSUME she will deny you, esp if this is your best friend. Be bold, it may work, you are assuming defeat before you even try it.

Work related, it may take a few months to "set up the scene", but work can cause strange trip to BKK of HK or similar, visit new locations, open new offices, prospect for clients, "consultant" trips, new accounts, looking at a competitor in the country, be creative.

If she MUST go along, which is far less preferred, then try this:

Both go shopping at 12 Noon to a major mall like MBK or Siam Square or World, or similar. Agree that after 2 hours of shopping, you will make a hotel run w all of the purchases and bags, just be sure to buy something large or something bulky or heavy, during the first hour, esp closthes and electornics. You take a taxi at 2pm back to hotel to dump the load and you go work out or take a nap or use the internet, then you go to a specufic location or venue that you choose in advance, like a soapie or massage or bar w day ladies, and then you have 2 hours of fun, enough time for ST action.

Do the action away from your hotel room, but Just Do It. Agree to meet at hotel after 5pm and her 2nd round of shopping, go to Happy Hour when you are happy.... and then you have some freedom.. That worked well for me for several days, it costs you some extra money, but well worth the freedom time.

h2p

I would prefer Europe all things being equal because I like Caucasian women, especially blondes. But the Euro is too expensive. And the mongering rates in those countries is too expensive too. After doing much research, it's cheaper to get a girl in Latin America. And the best RBGFE is down there too, like Rio, according to Surfer. You can't find RBGFE in an FKK where you can also video the girl, keep her for multiple hours or overnight if you want, for dirt cheap. And the girls there have a more "girlfriend" type attitude than other countries. They can actually get possesive about you if you treat them like a girlfriend, which I'd like to try, sounds different and interesting and unique. And since most girls in Argentina and some in Rio who came from there are European transplants from the early 1900's, many of them look like Caucasian girls. So Rio and Argentina has more of everything that I want.

My recollection, confirmed by information at,

http://wiki.insearchofchicas.org/Termas_in_Rio_de_Janeiro,_Brazil

is paying 50 BRL (reais) entrance fee plus 140 BRL or 210 BRL for 40 minutes in a small room or an hour in a larger room with a shower. I paid the entrance fee plus two one-hour sessions with the same girl (she was that good, and I was allowed to leave for dinner and return without paying a second entrance fee). However, the total cost was 470 BRL, which is $250 US, about the same as an FKK. The minimum cost would be entrance plus a 40-minute session for 190 BRL, which is $100, well worth the cost, but not cheap in my opinion. Prices at Solarium are about the same, Centaurus is more, and there are cheaper termas, but I haven't found one with the same quality girls as l'uomo.

So yes, go to Rio, have a great time, but don't expect low prices.

(Note: I am well aware there are street girls on Avenido Atlantico and girls in apartments and escorts and the like, prices are lower, quality and service are mixed.)

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thanks for the pic, I like your taste in girls, that's why I want to go. You said those were the prices last time you went. Since I understand that prices have steadily risen in the past few years, when was that?

You said service was very good. Can you elaborate - was it passionate RBGFE? Many posts I've read say it's rare to get that in FKK's, so even if the prices are comparable, it appears that Rio still has an edge in terms of quality of RBGFE.

and thanks for the link, never thought of Wikipedia which is very good at updating their website content. Termas and clubs close down all the time it seems, I would have been confused as to what was available, until now.

My experience in FKKs in limited to a visit to Oase (outside Frankfurt) two years ago. There are plenty of reports on RB about Oase. My summary would be lots of very pretty girls, mainly eastern Europeans, they all do DFK and bbbj, and cfs--CIM and maybe Greek are usually available for a surcharge. Admission and a few half-hour sessions cost the better part of 200 euros or thereabouts....before any surcharges.

I have a lot more experience in l'uomo and termas in Rio. Basic agenda: you enter the termas, change into a robe, go into a bar, and there are dozens of girls wanting your attention. Just look at one and she will sit next to you, order a drink, and within 5 minutes she'll have her tongue down your throat and her hand on your cock under the robe. They all do a great job of selling and closing the deal....meaning you go with them to a room on site. Typically the girls do DFK, bbbj, and cfs. Often, especially if you have discussed this before going to the room, cim and Greek are available...up to you and the girl. You don't have cash so you cannot tip....so the exact service is as you arrange with your girl. I have had excellent success in RBGFE plus, the girl in the photo was up for cim and for greek (notice the tube of KY on the bed in the previous photo). After the session you can return to the bar, recharge, and go with the same or another girl....you finally pay (entrance plus fee for each session) as you leave.

Prices I quoted were from visit in April 2008, confirmed by internet as current, but I used current exchange rate.

I have attached another photo of the same girl, she is somewhat flat chested, just perfect for me, with large nipples....and a very sweet and friendly disposition. Twice the same evening is not my usual style, but she was special.

Overall I would say that my most GFE experiences have been in Brazil, with a few experiences in Thailand close seconds, along with FKK girls....

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Mr_Kleen was interesting in creating an opportunity of this sort, but he also is interested in the photos I posted (and even in video)....it is unusual to be able to take photos in a terma, and I consider video highly unlikely. Best done with a take-out girl (could be a terma girl after work) but...oops...SO is going to be in the hotel room). Not a plan.

And mongering with SO on trip AND taking photos/video poses its own risks which are obvious: SO looks at photos in camera or on computer and sees girls....the usual method for avoiding this problem is to use a separate card in the camera which your SO doesn't see....better not screw up on this....or have to explain to Customs while SO is watching just why you have an extra SD card hidden in the lining of your suitcase or wherever.

All that said, go for it. If you are in Rio by all means check out l'uomo (on second floor of a shopping center in a sketchy neighborhood of Copacabana)....

image from their recent email attached....would love to be there next week....

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Luiza worked in l'uomo in Rio when I met her years ago, continued to see her privately for several years, every time I went to Rio. Very nice girl, seemingly unaffected by her job.

She has since retired and is married with a child.

She was in one of the Buttman porn videos, Buttman does Carnival I believe. Anyone who has this, check out the second sex scene and see if the girl isn't Luiza.

Anyone else ever have the pleasure of meeting her?

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Driving ranges at night for practice Find a real massage place so you can say you had a massage afterwords.

Then, get an afternoon tee time. You can easily push this all the way to night time as traffic is normally bad and you just decided to have dinner with one of the guys you met on your foursome.