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Roger
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"United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
 
   I have a United Mileage Plus Visa card like many others on this board, to gather miles to use on United.

I think most of us know by now that our friends at Chase add 3% for foreign transactions, which they cheerfully call a "foreign transaction fee." Wasn't there a class-action suit awhile ago about this kind of bullshit charge?

Meanwhile they have pulled yet another dumb stunt: as a United 1K flier I am supposed to have the $60 annual fee waived. The fee appeared on my May statement, so I called the bank to ask about it. The agent told me that the fee is not automatically waived, the member has to call to ask that it be waived. I expressed a certain consternation that, in the 21st century, I had to call and talk with another human so she could check her computer and enter the fee waiver in her computer. Uh, doesn't this seem like one more piece of crap from our good buddies at Mileage Plus and Chase? Hoping we won't notice?

Message: don't use your United Mileage Plus card for foreign transactions (plenty of threads about this already), call Chase at 1 800 537-7783 if you are a 1K member and were charged the fee, and complain loudly to United Mileage Plus about their scum-bag banking partner.

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1. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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It aint just Chase, most cards do it nowadays. Only Capitalone does not to my knowledge. I only got a card from them to use overseas and it is the only card I use. Limits are typically low, and never over 5K to my knowledge. We''ll see if I too must call abt the $60 waiver as a 1k.

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2. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   >I have a United Mileage Plus Visa card like many others on this board, to gather miles to use on United.

So do I. What's funny is that after many, many years of traveling with them, I though I swore them off for good. Yet, they got me again and I am sorry I did it, but now I have close to 200K miles with them. I am planning to use those for travel and really stop using them for good.

As to the 3% fee, almost all charge cards have that now. AMEX does not (or at least as of last year), but they get their cut in the exchange rate they give you. Someone on this board suggested Charles Schwab Visa card. I got one on my last trip and I was very happy, no ATM charge, and no other fees for using the card.

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3. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   ATM (US bank fee): Schwab Visa and quite a few other cards do not charge a fee for using a foreign atm. Whether they give a fair rate or not is another question.

nb Wells Fargo PMA account gives only four foreign withdrawals per month for a sensible account balance ($25K).

ATM (foreign bank fee): most banks in Thailand and apparently in PI charge an ATM fee, in addition to what your home back charges. See http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/intl/6877.html for more information.

CREDIT: Capital One Visa does not charge a currency transaction fee, but whether they convert at a fair rate or not is another question.

Anyone studied the conversion rate for their ATM and/or Visa transactions? Is it market rate? or is there a stealth fee built into the conversion rate? Where are all our bankers when we need advice?

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4. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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LAST EDITED ON 01-Jun-10 AT 11:44 AM (PST)
 
> Anyone studied the conversion rate for their ATM and/or
> Visa transactions? Is it market rate? or is there a stealth
> fee built into the conversion rate? Where are all our bankers
> when we need advice?

Second hand, but a non-mongering Japanophile friend frequently goes there and got a Capital One card to use, and reports that the exchange rates are at-market for US$-JPY (were almost spot-on with what I got on a non-CapOne ATM when we were there within a few days of one another - although I got hit with the currency exchange fee.)

Can't comment about their THB or PHP rates.

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5. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   I think Cap One exchange rate is at market rate the day of or one day before or after the transaction, whichever is higher (which is pennies compared to other cards). I've been happy with that card and they do offer over $5k limit on their card. I just bumped mine up to $25k. I tend to use my Credit Union's ATM card for cash withdraws, they don't charge a withdraw fee from other banks, but I have to watch out for the other bank charging me a fee for using their bank. If there's a Citibank, I'll use my Citi ATM. No charge for withdraw and they convert at market rate when I'm in Japan.

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6. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   I have a Capital One Master Card and the times I have used the credit card, the exchange rate seems pretty much the market rate.

In regards to Citibank, Citibank does charge their customers 3% on overseas transactions even when using their own ATM. Same goes for Bank of America customers when using the China Construction Bank or other partners' ATM. There are two fees to worry about - a flat fee for using someone else's ATM, and the transaction fee. Citibank obviously doesn't charge for the ATM usage on their own machines, but they do charge for the transaction fee.

Separate question - I haven't been a United Mileage Plus Visa card holder for almost 8 years now, but recently they sent me an offer for 50,000 free miles plus 1 year waived. Is it worth jumping at the offer, or is there something better? I'm beginning to travel a bit more on United again, maybe upwards to 25K per year but not much more. I only carry one 1 Visa and 1 Master Card and like to keep my credit score high, so I'm very judicious about this.

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7. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   I am 1K and have several Chase cards as well Roger. I believe that the yearly fee is posted and then next month you will see a credit for that charge.

I have never called and that is what happens to me each year unless they have in fact changed their policies.

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9. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   The nice lady at Chase--actually she wasn't so nice--told me that it was necessary to call to get the $60 fee waived. She was even less nice when I asked her why a human was needed when a computer was doing the job....

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8. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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The new Platinum select offers TRIPLE miles on UA purchases and double on groceries and other staples so it is worth it as am upgrade from the regular card. That said, I am no fan of Chase at all but was a WAMU customer. If I did not have such a great relationship with bank manager, I'd would have bailed as soon as the Chase takeover occurred.

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14. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   Citibank doesn't charge a 3% fee if you have enough with them in a deposit relationship. I know a lot of people hate them for all the right reasons, but they haven't done me wrong yet! Keyword is yet... I know it's bound to happen. BofA will screw you any chance they get. I wouldn't recommend them to my worse enemy.

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15. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   yes, the 3% is waived if you are a CitiGold member, but it takes a lot of money (like a mortgage pretty much) to be there.

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10. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   >Anyone studied the conversion rate for their ATM and/or Visa transactions? Is it market rate?

I checked my Schwab Visa card. As of 2 months ago, I was given market rates. They even refunded me the charges from Thai banks for ATM transactions.

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11. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   Capital One exchanges at market rate- only US credit card I use overseas.

50K miles with first year waived is a targeted offer- best thing out there now on United- I would take it if offered (sounds like you haven't had a United credit card for several years, so you should qualify for the bonus 50K)...


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13. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   open to all during the month of april.

and as of last week, there was a hack you could use to get the card even if not targeted. see the last few pages of this topic:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-mileage-plus/1069868-chase-milage-plus-visa-50-000-miles-sign-up-promotion.html


>Capital One exchanges at market rate- only US credit card I
>use overseas.
>
>50K miles with first year waived is a targeted offer- best
>thing out there now on United- I would take it if offered
>(sounds like you haven't had a United credit card for
>several years, so you should qualify for the bonus 50K)...
>
>
>Friendly

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16. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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I have a Chase United FF card that I use in the US. I am fed up with their overseas charges.

Are you saying that Capitol has a Visa card that offers 50k miles that can ne added to my existing United FF mileage without a hitch, and that their are no usage fees at overseas ATMs? If so, I will apply immediately since they sent me an offer.

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17. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 02-Jun-10 AT 12:12 PM (PST)
 
>>Anyone studied the conversion rate for their ATM and/or Visa transactions? Is it market rate?
>
>I checked my Schwab Visa card. As of 2 months ago, I was
>given market rates.


Another benefit of the Schwab VISA card is 2% cashback on all purchases which is paid out into your Schwab brokerage acct.

Also, for the Schwab VISA and the ATM card, I also received market rates for China, HKG, and PI. However, for the VISA card, you have to make sure the merchant does not convert your charge in US$.

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20. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 09-Jun-10 AT 06:14 PM (PST)
 
When you use a Visa or Mastercard, the bank issuing the credit card does not perform the actual currency exchange. The exchange is negotiated on your behalf (and on the behalf of the credit card company) by Visa or Mastercard -- because Visa and MC are so large, they obtain the best rates available. The actual exchange occurs in the MC/Visa system not your bank's system. The "foreign exchange fee" or "currency transaction fee" that most credit card companies (eg, Chase) apply is an arbitrary fee that CC companies charge unknowing consumers for performing no service at all. In other words, they just charge you because they can charge you.

When travelling abroad and using a CC, always use a card that is Visa or MC and issued from a bank that explicitly does not charge the arbitrary "foreign exchange fee" -- Capital One is one of the few companies that advertise this and if you call their customer service, they will tell you that they will not charge additional fees for using your CC abroad. You should also use this card when purchasing something online from a different country where they use a different currency.

Are the exchange rates from Visa and MC the best? I've gone thru my billing statements and checked with the exchange rates on the street, local banks, or airports and the exchange rate they have given me were better than those that I could find anywhere else at the time and were very very close to the published market rates.

The other issue when travelling abroad is many hotels and tourist attractions that cater to foreigners offer to charge your credit card in US Dollars to save you from the foreign exchange rate fees or currency transaction fees. Never allow anyone to charge your credit in US Dollars when travelling abroad because you will always get a terrible exchange rate.

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12. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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   i've had my plat chase visa since pre-2006, so i'm grandfathered in on a full $120 (or $150, or whatever the fee is), so long as i maintain 1K status. each May they charge my card, each May i login to chase.com/united, and use their secure messaging system to request that they reverse the charge. they always do so within a couple days, after verifying my 1K status for that year.

this is a common topic in the united forum on flyertalk.com... and the consensus is that the easiest thing is to just use the the online msg'ing... takes a couple minutes each year. yes, of course, it's ridiculous that they force you to do it. and of course, they do that because they know some people won't notice, or won't bother to request the credit, so they'll make money off those people, without losing the customers who they're troubling.

don't worry, congress is on the verge of passing a bill that'll likely mean the end of no-fee cards and possibly the end of all these neat freebies via credit cards.

and don't forget -- if other people weren't paying those fees, the deals likely wouldn't be so sweet. if you're willing to take 2 minutes to reverse the charge, you win.


as for the foreign fees... i never use my united chase visa overseas, specifically for that reason. i use it everywhere in the US though... whether big purchases or my daily latte @starbucks.

>I have a United Mileage Plus Visa card like many others on
>this board, to gather miles to use on United.
>
>I think most of us know by now that our friends at Chase add
>3% for foreign transactions, which they cheerfully call a
>"foreign transaction fee." Wasn't there a class-action suit
>awhile ago about this kind of bullshit charge?
>
>Meanwhile they have pulled yet another dumb stunt: as a
>United 1K flier I am supposed to have the $60 annual fee
>waived. The fee appeared on my May statement, so I called
>the bank to ask about it. The agent told me that the fee is
>not automatically waived, the member has to call to ask that
>it be waived. I expressed a certain consternation that, in
>the 21st century, I had to call and talk with another human
>so she could check her computer and enter the fee waiver in
>her computer. Uh, doesn't this seem like one more piece of
>crap from our good buddies at Mileage Plus and Chase? Hoping
>we won't notice?
>
>Message: don't use your United Mileage Plus card for foreign
>transactions (plenty of threads about this already), call
>Chase at 1 800 537-7783 if you are a 1K member and were
>charged the fee, and complain loudly to United Mileage Plus
>about their scum-bag banking partner.

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18. "RE: United Mileage Plus Visa card: fukkem..."
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FH: great points. Where did you read Congress is about to ban fee waivers for elite fliers? That is concerning indeed and seems inconsistent with the aim of legislation limiting the undisclosed fees CC issuers have been charging.

Keeping 1K wil be more difficult this year unless there is another Fall Double EQM deal like last year. Bummer there was no Spring Double EQM but I still hold out hope for another September to December 15 Double EQM deal. Two trips to SE asia during that period will make it easy to requalify for 1K.

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19. "Saying Goodbye To OnePass"
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   CO's new CEO, Jeff Smisek wants to be like UA. Not let me get this straight...the CEO of the best run legacy carrier wants to have the culture of historically one of the worst run airlines in the world?

My Platinum is looking like Silver already. CO sold me an AC seat on CO ticket stock, then wouldn't give me same day change even though they were holding 7 seats at $900 a pop for revenue. Can't get anyone to do anything for you because there have been layoffs in Houston and everyone's afraid if they do something even slightly off the menu, they'd get fired or laid off.

I also don't see any double EQM in the horizon. Actually, the new mantra coming from Smisek and Tilton seems to be, "if you don't spend $30K/yr with us (Global Services or Presidential Platium), fuck you, no matter your status."

So, good thing Delta matched...even though SkyMiles sucks, I get treated very well by Custo Care and I usually get upgraded. I have a decent chance of making PL with them this year.

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