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"AC Flight Question"
 
   Surfer, AC experts, et al,

Which flight do you take to get to Clark (or do you go through Manila?)from HK or Macau? Some of us RBers are planning a short trip in the next couple of months and it seems that Cebu Pacific is the only direct from either Macau or Hong Kong. The Hong Kong flight leaves at 9:00AM? Macau leaves at 11:00PM at night.

We need to get to BKK from Clark after the few days, yeah, we may never leave AC once we get there. Seems that AirAsia only goes to Kuala Lumpur and then you buy a separate segment from KL to BKK.

The direct from Clark to BKK was sold out or doesn't travel on the dates we prefer.

Did the usual search on the archives and found some useful nuggets about Cebu Pacific but there's some negative press around their credit card handling processes that I found on another site. Wanted to know about other's experiences buying online with Cebu Pacific. AirAsia has worked seamlessly for me up to now.

Thanks in advance for any info. Looking forward to buying you guys a round when we get to AC.

Juplo

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1. "RE: AC Flight Question"
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   The most direct way to Clark from SFO is via ICN on Asiana. The connection is good between the UAL flight that gets into Seoul about 6pm and an Asiana flight around 9pm to CRK (times approximate, check the schedule).

Other option is PAL to Manila which gets you in early in the morning and then take a taxi to AC. At that time in the morning its less than two hours.

You could go via HK but the Cathay flight does not connect with a flight to Clark and you would need to overnight in HK.

Manila has a lot more flights and if you arrive off peak hours, the drive is not too bad.

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2. "RE: AC Flight Question"
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   I think the original poster is on to something. Fly into HK from SFO. Take the ferry over to Macau. Spend some time there if need and then head on over to Macau International for a flight on Cebu Pacific to Clark.

The big problem is finding a flight that isn't sold out.

http://www.cebupacificair.com/

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3. "RE: AC Flight Question"
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LAST EDITED ON 06-Jun-10 AT 05:18 PM (PST)
 
BY FAR the best is the Asiana flight but it is pricey ALWAYS. If you have UA miles try to redeem them for an award on Asiana (ranked #1 in the World in this year's Skytraxx survey). As noted, the connection is great GOING but there is a 12 hour layover in Seoul on the return regardless of whether you take UA or Asiana home from Seoul. I am here in Seoul now on the UA flight tonight at 515pm. EACH time I have stopped in Seoul I have liked it more and more and now stay a night making my stopover 36 hours instead of 12. Will post a report when I get home about best options for both the 12 hour and the 36 hour layover.

Nobody else flies to Clark from outside SE Asia. The Cebu Pacific flight from HKG is second best, and CP has FINALLY sorted out their website issues so you can now buy online using US issued credit cards which is a HUGE improvement. Now the bad news: no baggage interline agreements which means unless you go carry on only you must clear customs in HKG and then recheck your luggage which is time consuming and makes you pay the HKG terminal fee (which they will refund provided you go to the counter at HKIA with copies of papers showing a breakdown that includes the HKG120 terminal fee). Finally, CP free baggage allowance is only 15kgs per passenger and they gouge you on overweight so travel light! Allow at least 3 hours between flights, and because it is a separate ticket if your flight to HKG is late and you miss the connection you are SOL, hasn't happened to me but I Do worry when going that way.

Don't do Macau or AirAsia so cannot comment on that, but all the other options, i.e. via BKK or SIN add lots of flying time.

PAL's flight from HKG to MNL is often not much more costly and they do interline baggage and provide better service but it goes to MNL which is much less convenient. Not only does the drive add almost 3 hours (and it can be much more, the less than 2 hours is pushing it now with rainy season even with PAL's arrival before 5am), MNL airport is a sea of thieves and scum and packed with locals greeting or sending off relatives, a veritable circus. For first timers especially, if you can avoid that airport do it. One other option is Cathay Pacific to Cebu via HKG, then connect to the CP flight to Clark. Or stay a day or two in Cebu which is much nicer than Manila and has plenty of girlie bars itself.

HKG is not the only option either as I often fly UA to ICN then Cebu Pacific from ICN to Manila. CP also serves Taipei, Shanghai, Sai Gon and Osaka so look at all those options to see where you can get to most cheaply then connect to CP flight to MNL.

PS Whenever you fly CP pay the extra 200pisos to reserve a premium seat in advance.

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4. "RE: AC Flight Question"
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   Thanks to all for the info posted so far.

Our plans are to go on a couple of one ways - SFO to HKG and BKK to SFO on UA metal. We have good shots at getting upgraded since most of use are 1Ks on UA. Once we're in HKG, take the Macau ferry from the Skypier at HK airport. Spend a couple of nights in Macau and take the Cebu-Pacific flight from HK to CRK at 9:45 AM. You get in at 11:30AM in AC. If you fly from Macau, you leave at 11:00PM in the evening. Cost for this one way is around $100 USD (including the pre-purchase of reserved seats, a few extra kilos of luggage, taxes, etc). Yes, you do pay an extra $28 US for transiting Macau to HK Airport via ferry.

Return was a little more complex since the dates for the direct from Clark to BKK was sold out for several days that we wanted to return. Looked at flying out of Manila but too much extra time spent just to get back to Manila via taxi/car. The direct on Cebu doesn't leave until late night and gets in around midnight in BKK, similar to the US bound flights to BKK, not something that I'm fond of.

We wanted to get in during the day or early evening and fly out of Clark.

Option 1) AirAsia has one flight to Kuala Lumpur then you have to do some juggling to transfer between another AirAsia flight KUL to BKK. Cost was around $180 all in for the two segments. Decent time as flight leaves at 1:30PM and gets to KUL at 5:35. You then have to jump on to another AirAsia flight at 6:45PM or 9:00PM. 6:45 may be tight to transfer to depending on how they handle the luggage issue.

Option 2) Tiger has direct from Clark to Singapore. They should be able to move our luggage to the second Tiger flight, SIN to BKK. Total for the two segments is around $150.

Advantage to Option 2 since Tiger is based out of Singapore, should be able to move the luggage to the second flight and won't force us to pick up luggage just to re-check back in for second flight. We'll see if this works. I'll be calling Tiger directly to ask them if they can do the direct transfer of baggage. This flight also gets in at 8:00PM BKK time. Perfect for getting into Pattaya by 10:00 and Walking Street should be just heating up...

Juplo

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6. "RE: AC Flight Question"
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   Not sure what the big fuss is about going to Manila. For one, it's not always that bad to get there from AC. I have taken the bus back and forth recently on Swagman and Southern Cross and 2 hours 15 minutes was the worst time I had getting back and that's with a stop of 15 minutes. Discount airlines have pretty strict luggage weights and that includes Cebu Pacific. If you are traveling light that's fine. If you can do Tiger for that flight and make connection same day, you may still have to clear immigration and come back in. If I remember correctly, they will not transfer your luggage. I believe you have to get your bags clear immigration and come in again and check in. Not sure if it's worth the hassle of doing two flights compared to taxi ride to Manila. Make sure that the costs you are looking at is the total price and includes all taxes. Also, looking at a flight like Cebu Pacific which leaves and arrives late to me is losing days of travel and you'll probably pay for two hotels for same night to make it work.

I think if you have a few guys, splitting a private car costs is way better to Manila airport is easier and less hassle.

To each his own.

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7. "RE: AC Flight Question"
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That is to Ermita from where it is another 30 minutes or so (at least!) to airport. And NAIA is very unpleasant compared to Clark, especially for a less experienced PI traveler than you or I. I do agree the LCCs have major drawbacks too which is why the Asiana direct connection is by far the best (plus they are rated #1 Airline in the World for 2010).

Ride from airport is 2500 or so if split 2 or 3 ways so you are correct on cost. But customs and baggage claim is 10 times worse at NAIA, as is departure when security, terminal fee and immigration all involve waiting in separate lines. It is horribly overcrowded while Clark is underused. And it is not always only 2 hours to Ermita depending on traffic, while there is never more than a 10 minute ride to Clark.

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5. "RE: AC Flight Question"
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   >As noted, the connection is great GOING but there
>is a 12 hour layover in Seoul on the return regardless of
>whether you take UA or Asiana home from Seoul.

Thanks for the great info Surfer!! The last trip I made I thought long and hard to take Asiana but that 12 hour layover in Seoul was the deal breaker. If it was in HK, I can always make a run to Macau and hit up an amazing spa (Rio, 18, Boss etc.) and then take a direct ferry to the airport but I have no idea what to do in Seoul for that long. Time is valuable. That's why I like flying into Clark and avoid that awful car ride to Manila but 12 hours on the return is way too long in Seoul, so I would rather look into other options.

In the future I think it maybe much better for flights as the Philippine Government has wisely decided to expand Clark as it's International hub instead of that old crumbling Manila airport. Though that expansion might put an end to the Bars of Fields Ave.

Anyone have a link on why it's good to get points on UA? I seem to recall an excellent post on why getting points on UA international is better then traveling on SG, Cathay, and other high end International fleets. I've been flying a lot lately and my points on SG and Cathay barely add up to any free upgrades.

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8. "RE: AC Flight Question"
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   I have spent that entire 12 hours in the SIN lounge and had a nap, 3 meals, did some work and watched some TV. Wasnt that bad..

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9. "RE: AC Flight Question"
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I used to think that way but have come to enjoy the layover. There is loads to do in Seoul really. Will post a report this weekend (just back) . I now try to make the layover 36 hours and spend a night there but even on the 12 hour layover you can take Asiana's daytour which is interesting or do it yourself. Bus to the city is super efficient, 1 hour and $11 each way. After being in PI or LOS you are likely sexxed out, as I am, but there is plenty of action albeit more costly. But loads of eye candy or great shopping or eating. And ICN is the World's best airport (has won the award 5 years in a row)with loads of great restaurants, even a couple Korean culture museums and quiet niches where you can sleep. The Asiana lounge is huge and awesome.

As for utility of UA miles, I use them for biz class awards on Asiana or Singapore (2 of my 3 favorite airlines along with Cathay).

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