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"New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
 
My friend in AC just sent me an email and thought I would share it with you. The old AC is gone thanks to "Human Trafficking" accusations against the bars. These are what changes you can expect on your next visit to AC.

"From what i know from reliable sources, Ponytails was raided, all the girls, two mama sans and the DJ were all taken into custody. The mama sans were charged with human trafficking. No word on what happened to the girls after they were taken into custody (but if history is taken into account, they were virtually certainly forced to sign papers saying something to the effect that they were forced to be prostitutes against their will or something along those lines. If the girls are kept in "detention" then you can expect some horrible things to be happening to them, including rape).

Also from a reliable source is that Compact 4 (the local fields ave police station) has said that "No more t-backs, No more body shots, 1 door girl only outside, No see-through uniforms and No shower shows will be or are allowed".
So basically they just significantly took away a significant portion of the what use to be allowed fun inside the bar. So if you want or are looking for anything that you have done in the past in AC (with the exception of currently taking the girl out of the bar and to a hotel) you are seemingly out of luck bro."

On the good side, at least barfines haven't gone up

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1. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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   This shit has happened before. It will blow over. Bribes will be paid. Give it a week or two.

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2. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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I agree that raids have happened before but, the conduct policy is something that didn't happen before. The pressure isn't coming from the local government but, someone higher up on the food chain. We can only hope that it gets back to normal.

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3. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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Unfortunately the pressure this time is coming from the US government which is threatening to cut foreign aid to the PI if if does not crack down on human trafficking. Since actual human traffickers are hard to find, they pick the low lying fruit, to wit, the Fields Ave bars!

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4. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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Strict anti human trafficking inspections in next few months
Friday, August 06

Strict anti human trafficking inspections will take place in the bar establishments in and around the Angeles entertainment strip in the next few months.

The US government has demanded the Philippines to tackle its human trafficking problem at the risk of decreasing its foreign aid to our country. Last year, US President Barack Obama has signed off $667 million in foreign assistance to various development efforts, but particularly for the Filipino World War II veterans. The eradication of human trafficking, one of the top 5 major transnational crimes in the world, is one of Obama's goals in line with his foreign policy for the USA. And since the Philippines depends heavily on foreign aid from this world power, it stands to reason that our country should make every effort to flush out human traffickers.

Teams from Manila will be deployed to inspect all bars along the entertainment strips to look out for any human trafficking taking place within the operations of the Fields Avenue and Balibago establishments. young prostitution will also be strictly screened for and dealt with severely. Any establishments found guilty will most likely face an immediate and unconditional permanent closure as well as heavy jail sentences.

Whether the inspectors will find any human trafficking in Angeles seems quite unlikely. Mayor Ed Pamintuan has recently announced at a ceremony that there is no human trafficking problem in Angeles City and particularly none in the entertainment strip. The city hall has quietly conducted random inspections already that have further strengthened this point.

Major Tan of Police Station 4 is also confident that there will be no human trafficking found in the entertainment strip. According to Tan, human trafficking involves the forcing of a person into sex or labour, and as such he has never encountered this. Tan further added that the women working at the bars are there at their own freewill and are never forced to have sexual intercourse nor are they locked up in any way.

Due to the stigma of red light districts, particularly those of south east Asian neighbours such as Thailand and Cambodia which have terrible human rights records, Angeles City is vulnerable to speculations of human trafficking as well. Fortunately, this doesn't seem to be the case

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6. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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rare for me to agree with the infamous Louie Tan (Station 4 chief)but here I do. No doubt human trafficking exists in Angeles, but it is in "The area" where foreigners dare not tread, NOT on Fields (or Perimeter). But our government could give a shit about trafficking as long as the sex slaves do not service foreigners. Closure of K11 in Cambodia proved that (the places catering to locals were not closed, only the places where roundeye were serviced were shuttered). Ditto in Thailand; there is plenty of human trafficking in the bordellos frequented by Thai men but not farang haunts like Nana, Patpong, walking Street etc etc etc. Asians can traffic and exploit other Asians as they have for centuries. The problem only arises (in the eyes of Western governments) when westerners are paying for sex (even with women of legal age who are plying the trade of their own free will).

Thanks for posting this DC.

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7. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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   LAST EDITED ON 09-Aug-10 AT 05:03 PM (PST)
 
On angelescity.com....

Strict rules for nightlife establishments to come!
Monday, August 09

A critical meeting at the city hall was had earlier today as a result of the recent raid at Ponytails bar, along with the pressure of the upcoming investigations into human-trafficking in Angeles in the following months.

As a result, Mayor Ed Pamintuan has been forced to implement a new set of strict rules for all nightlife establishments which will limit the X factor of the entertainment to a much more conservative level.

Angelescity.com will publish the complete set of new rules by tomorrow (Tuesday).
The list includes rules such as the ban of G-strings or thongs, nude body painting and see-through apparel. Bar events which promote borderline nudity such as the one had at Ponytails called "who let the dogs out" will also be banned.
Furthermore, the number of 'doorgirls' standing outside the bars will be limited to as little as 1 per bar.
Entertainment establishments catering to locals which are suspect to sometimes fully cross the borderline of nudity will also be forced to clean up their acts completely.

This has been the decision of the mayor in order to ensure that the erotic nature of the entertainment at bars will not be used as (unjust) evidence for human trafficking in the following months in which human-trafficking will be strictly scrutinized in the city as mentioned in a previously published article.

----almost sounds like the Mayor is being proactive to prevent more pressure. Most likely temporary but who knows how long. Wonder what is happening to the "show girl" bars like Miss Universe in Pasay and that strip in Quezon with their VIP rooms that can be a total orgy inside?

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5. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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   Yeah, so they will act like they are doing something. Cosmetic changes will be made for a short time. The reality is that the bar girl earnings support way more people in the provinces than the US Aid which is mostly stolen by corrupt officials.

Fucking puritanical Americans!! We should keep our morals, religion and troops at home!

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14. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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>Fucking puritanical Americans!! We should keep our morals, religion and troops at home!



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15. "Surfer..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 29-Aug-10 AT 09:46 AM (PST)
 
This has to be one of the best forums on RB and for the most part politics is staying out. I can understand if a reply is relevant to the subject of the original post but just posting up pictures in the hopes of inflaming is pretty lame.

I know I'm no innocent in this regard but this is so blatant.

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   LAST EDITED ON 11-Aug-10 AT 06:30 PM (PST)
 
Just talked to a buddy who was at Ponytails when the police came in. Was a shaving cream show and they stopped the show and took some girls. Still closed (as of yesterday). Rules will change and the body paint, shower shows, and other nude/semi-nude are now gone (who knows for how long).

Still have the bikinis and everything else is the same but the rumors are that things will go low-key for a while.

Excellent article on Margaritastation.com:

NEW GUIDLINES FOR THE BARS IN ANGELES *
Due to the volume of false rumors floating around and the “Sky is falling” mentality on the local message boards, I though I would try to put things into perspective from my point of view and some observations from my years in Angeles and discussions I have had in the years past with Mayor Edgardo Pamintuan.


Edgardo Pamintuan was the mayor of Angeles City from 1992 to 1998 and he was recently reelected again in 2010. He is a lawyer by trade with an extensive back ground in Human Rights. I have personally known him since the mid-90’s. I believe he was one of the best mayors I have seen in Angeles City in the 30+ years I have been in Angeles.

HISTORY:


On 2 August Mayor Edgardo Pamintuan told attendees at a flag raining ceremony that he had been pressured by Department of Interior and Local Government (DILG) Secretary Jess Robredo to close one to two thousand bars in Angeles City. He said he told Secretary Robredo that there were less than 250 clubs in Angeles City and there was no problem with human trafficking in the city. He further told the secretary that he would not close any of the bars because they were not involved in ‘Human Trafficking.”


This apparently resulted in Manila saying they would send teams to inspect all of the Fields Avenue and Balibago establishments “in the next few weeks” to look for any human trafficking or young prostitution within their operations. These were not secret inspections. All clubs were given advanced notice on August 6 & 7th via newspapers articles and notices published on local websites that warned that any establishments found guilty will most likely face an immediate and unconditional permanent closure as well as heavy jail sentences.


IMO this should have served as a warning that all clubs should not push the envelope with special shows that inspectors or undercover media might find sensational.

On 8 Aug Ponytails bar situated on Perimeter Road, just past Checkpoint, was raided by the CIDG police. The bar was having a special event (Who Let the Dogs Out) which was advertised on their website indicating that it would included body painting and erotic shows. Near the end of the event the girls were starting a “banana & whip cream show” when the club was raided. As of 10 August Pony Tails Bar was still closed and indications are that it will remain closed . It should be noted that the CIDG reportedly did not have a specific Mission Order signed by the mayor for this raid on Pony Tails.

At the recent city hall meeting following the raid at Ponytails bar, many issues were discussed around the central human trafficking issue.

As a result, the Mayor has ordered an all-out anti human-trafficking mission to numerous departments and stations in the city, including the Clark International airport; “to hunt and close down any establishment or syndicate group guilty of human trafficking.”

Furthermore, the Mayor has issued a new set of rules to be implemented at all nightlife establishments. The list of new rules are:

· No topless

· No body painting

· No see-through apparel

· No G-strings or thongs

· Only one 'doorgirl' per bar

· Ban of all special bar events which promote overly erotic shows

DEJAVU

During Edgardo Pamintuan first term as Angeles City mayors in the 1990’s he started out with pretty much a hands off approach to Fields Ave. At that time Angeles was just starting to recover from the devastation of the Mount Pinatubo eruptions. There were very few clubs, but they were bringing tourists back to Angeles City and employing a significant number of Filipinos in the clubs, hotels and restaurants that were starting to rebuild. Then, as now, these tourist businesses accounted for a significant percentage of the city’s tax revenue.

In the early 90’s very few businesses in Angeles City were on the internet, but a few enterprising Filipino reporters did have internet. Whenever they came across anything sensational they would work up an article for the national newspapers. A guy named Rob Valarie put up a website in the mid 90’s about Angeles and stated that you could get oral sex on Santos Street "for the price of a cheeseburger." When this hit the newspapers the President put pressure on the mayor to clean up his town. A round of inspections followed and clubs with short time rooms were closed down for broken toilets, fire violations, etc.

Not long after that, another sensational news article in the national press forced the mayors hand again. Malacanang sent a top PNP general to Angeles to check the story and close offending businesses. The mayors office sent word to the club owners of the impending inspections. The owner of Blue Hawaii had told the some staff from the mayors office to “F--- O--“ during a clean & green effort a few days before and the word was out that this would be their first stop. In fact, it was so well known that four of us got chairs and sat on top of the bar across the street waiting for the raid to occur. It happened on schedule, the bar was padlocked and the Israeli owner left the country not long after that. The next stop for the team was Archie’s bar, which in total disregard for the warnings had a banner hanging across Fields Avenue advertising a special show. The owner tried to throw the Mayor and General Aglipay out of the club. It was padlocked and never reopened as Archie’s.

More sensational news articles about lewd shows resulted in the organization of a vice squad, frequent inspections, and new guidelines for the clubs. These guidelines from Gray (vice squad coordinator) included: No bikinis, bras & panties had to be worn under all dance costumes and the famous “no dancing like a snake.” Despite these restrictions, Angeles City was still a fun city.

Where I’m going with all this is Mayor Pamintuan was never anti-bar or anti-foreigner. He only came out with new inspections, rules, or raid when he was pressured by Manila to stop giving the whole country a bad name. And even when he did send in inspection teams, there was almost always some advance notice when they would be coming and what they would be looking for. It was the businesses that didn’t pay attention that suffered the consequences.

Additionally, in those days is was rare that some undercover Filipino went into a club and got the information. There were virtually no Filipino guys in the clubs in those days. Almost all the information came from foreigners posting stories or photos on the internet where some reporter could gather the information and write a story without leaving his desk.

Still another major story came from a real unexpected source. A long term EXPAT ran into a friendly Australian one night and took him bar hopping and explained all the in’s and out’s to him. Several months later, this friendly Australian, Paul Wilson, published details of that night with photos in the Australian edition of Penthouse. Within days, Morris was invited by some local police to leave the country ASAP.

This is now 2010 and everyone has internet including the mayor’s staff. The mayor has become internet savvy and even has his own face book page (http://www.facebook.com/edgardopamintuan).

Today, anybody’s post on an open forum about a happening in Angeles could result in the closure of establishments mentioned in that post. Filipinos frequent all the clubs in the entertainment area. They see signs advertising special parties and it is very easy for them to attend and notify authorities of events that do not meet the mayor’s standards. All AC businesses should be aware that news paper articles or videos of lewd parties that end up on shows like Imbestigador (GMA-7) will likely bring some form of action by the current city management.

So, what I’m trying to say in this lengthy article is IMO Mayor Pamintuan has no hidden agendas and is, in fact, very pro-EXPAT & pro-foreign visitors. I believe he will allow the nightlife in Balibago to continue to operate and will even support projects to make it a safer place for tourists as long as the owners and tourists don't bring shame on Angeles City and Filipino. But, when he is called on the carpet by the President or other officials from Manila he can only defend things so far. If a warning comes down from the mayors office like the one on August 6 & 7 that some new inspections are going to occur, prepare to be inspected. Make sure your business is clean, take out the trash, check the fire extinguishers, put the staff in conservative uniforms, send the dancers that constantly have “wardrobe malfunctions” on vacation, don’t hang up banners advertising erotic shows, and by all means .. hide the bananas & whip cream.

Furthermore, EXPATS and tourists should use caution with what they post about Angeles City and more importantly be careful not to post items in an open forum where it is likely to be picked up by a Filipino reporter using Google.

Some of the old costumes from years gone by. These may return if bars continue to violate the mayors standards.

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9. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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This is a lot more info than I am getting here in Angeles City - but then I wasn't trying very hard. Situation is pretty normal - at least by my perspective. Pretty girls all over and for the most part loud music in the bars.

As of this morning PonyTails is still closed. I was there Sunday afternoon before all the excitement must have occured. I thought the bar was quiet for a Sunday, more so than the number of times I stopped by there on my last visit.

The presence of the Station 4 police on Fields is pretty noticeable. They seem to be driving down the street about dusk. They definately have impacted the "Door Girl" count and all the establishments are down to a single door girl in modest clothes.


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10. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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They could ban door girls altogether for all I care. It is the ban on body shots that threatens our very way of life. And banning body painting and other forms of "shows: is a major bummer too, although the shows already are super tame compared to back in the 90s.

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11. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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LAST EDITED ON 13-Aug-10 AT 10:11 PM (PST)
 
Surfer - I would agree, but over the years, I have a weakness for some of the door girls. Except for the crazy one from Treasure Island ..... the experiences have been pretty good. Let's see the two from Viper Room .... the one from PonyTails, the one from ..... ahhh, who can remember

I had a door girl from one of the other bars the other night, not the one I wanted but ....... it will be interesting to see what happens next week. The 2 door girls and a friend all wanted to go. I have a buddy coming into town for a cherry trip to Phils, it might be fun to end up at that bar and when the girls talk again about all going with me, just say " OK, we all go" It should be interesting to see my buddy's face.

The plan was ..... one girl for the photos, another said she would do the scoring and one for the "show" ( LOL )

You are right, the body painting will be missed. PonyTails was good, and I liked Tropix for their body paint also.

Life seems pretty normal here

Munch

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12. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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I was wondering if the bars could get around the rule of only having one door girl. I thought if girls that were on their "break" smoking in front of the bar in regular street clothes could be in front of the bar. On my last visit the girls that were on their smoking break were just as active in calling guys into the bar as the door girls. Any thoughts?

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13. "RE: New Rules For Bars In AC! Ponytails Raided! :("
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   If the margaritastaion guy is correct (he has been there for years and is a pretty cool guy) the Mayor is probably doing the right thing. The upcoming meeting between the Obamanation and Noy Noy will soon be over and perhaps things will drift back to a bit more normal.

I love the body paint which is roughly akin to "truth in advertising". I hate it when you take a girl home to find the things she was hiding under the jeans and padded bra (I think padded bras should be illegal in AC ).

I'm quite sure the door girl (singular) will be wearing a uniform and the smoke break girls will necessarily be wearing civies but who cares. The gaggle of door girls never got me to go into a place anyway. However, ever now and then there was one or two who caught my eye and when they led me inside I bought them a drink. A couple of good times to be sure.

Those of us who have been going there for many many years have seen the ebb and flow of rules. This is no different and we can all be thankful we don't have another Mayor Lim in Angeles. That prick would shut it all down....

JoeC

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