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SexkittenSteph
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"Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or better?"
 
Is there any difference in quality when using full sized cassette tape deck players vs mini tape cassette vs. using no cassette players at all (using digital).

Not concerned with bulk, versus talking up room or anything like that. Only concern is hearing professor. I have one professor whom one can barely hear and that is my biggist concern.

I did turn in my school Casette player and bought a like size model that takes big casette tapes BY MISTAKE. I thought I was buying one that took small tapes because (1) the sales guy told me the new model did and (2) the window on the new model appeared tiny and seemed to simulate that it took a smaller tape.

When I got home it seemed to be a marketing ploy. However, I did open it and try it since I had it and it does sound a lot clearer. Maybe the old school player only needed the heads cleaned. I am deliberting keeping it just cuz it does sound better, but if there is an actual better and clearer model out there I am willing to invest a little more and buy it.

I figure anyone out here to gives lectures for a living or who tapes lectures a lot might have some expertise on the matter. Thanks!!!!

xoSteph

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bigbasin
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1. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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   key to good lecture recording:

1. sitting in front row or placing recorder on lecturn, if allowed

2. good directional mic

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bigbasin
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4. "What are some of the best pocket digital recorders?"
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   What are some of the best pocket digital recorders with a jack for an external mic and uses replaceable SD or other memory cards.

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5. "RE: What are some of the best pocket digital recorders"
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MD recorders are all over Ebay for $10-40


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2. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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What Big Basin said..

Most analoge tape recorders dont have a lot of bandwidth in their recording function..or at least ones that dont use 1" wide tape.

Digital will sound the clearest..specifically, ones that DONT compress, like a nice old Mini Disc recorder..100% digital, very good resolution, and no compression.

MP3 styled recorders compress, which loses clarity and increases noise.

And..its all about placement, and the microphone used.

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3. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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digital output files can be:
- stored on your PC
- stored on CD's and DVD's
- editted
- compressed
- electronically filtered or modified to eliminate hiss
- easily manipulated to hear certain sections repeatedly
- don't wear out
- don't jam
- don't melt or warp in heat
- easily and quickly duplicated
- duplicates without any degradation in quality
- etc

Digital is the way to go IMHO

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mandy_more
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6. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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   i agree, i use a digital recorder to tape all of my lectures... and i still take good notes, too... imo, my notes are a better study tool than the tapes, but i still tape just in case... make sure you sit in the front row, and be sure to be active in the discussion... i find that the more i talk in class and give opinions, i am better able to remember the lecture, and being a "teachers pet" is good for your grade -- if the professor remembers your face and your participation, you are more likely to get the higher grade if you are on the bubble...

mmm.mmm.mandy.....

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7. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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   >Digital is the way to go IMHO

True, but it should be mentioned that mini-disc is notorious for making it hard to rip and manipulate.

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8. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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   Have you thought of speaking to the professor and getting him or her to either speak up or use a sound system?

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coyote79903
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9. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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i bought a digital one last year & it didn't work well at all.

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10. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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   LAST EDITED ON 26-Sep-06 AT 07:50 PM (PST)
 
Sony used to make an incredible cassette recorder using a PZM (pressure zone microphone)

The PZM mic is placed on a table, or wall, and sometimes on a piece of plywood suspended from a ceiling. It's best use is for lectures.

Whatever type of recording device you get, this may be the mic for you. You may find a used one cheap on ebay, it may or may not need a battery depending on brand. If it has a 1/4" phono plug, you can always get a convertor plug at Radio Shack.

Here's one that's not too expensive:
http://www.activemusician.com/item--EM.CRW-PZMSG

BTW, if the lectures are a hour or less, nothing is wrong with a cassette recorder. Chances are you won't need to digitally store the lectures as you'll probably never listen to them again in your life! I doubt I'm not the only one that has 100 hours of incredible lectures that I've never listened to... (and I have great transcription hardware and software for microcassettes, cassettes, and Sony digital voice recorders....) LOL

NEWS FLASH: just found a cassette beauty on ebay coming up in a day...not a PZM but direction mic, slower recording speed if wanted, and built in speaker that has balls. Show me a digital recorder with a speaker bigger than 1 inch that you can actually hear clearly and I'll eat my shorts! Who needs to use headphones or plug into a computer? Advances in tech are not always about quality...

ebay item 160033555493

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-TCM-23DV-Pressman-Portable-Cassette-Recorder-new_W0QQitemZ160033555493QQihZ006QQcategoryZ48689QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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11. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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LAST EDITED ON 26-Sep-06 AT 08:03 PM (PST)
 
O.k. placement is not an issue. But digital seems problematic as you get only so many hours and then you have to erase the lecture. No the professors are not going to be helpful and work along and help tape or stand with a mic. Its bad enough to get them to agree to be allowed to tape in the first place.

So even with the mic up their nose it still doesn't sound very good. I guess digital is an option but having only limited amount of room for "taping" is what I was concerned about, as they only get about 26 hours of room and I am taping more then that in a few weeks.

I guess my question was, did the size of the tape matter. I do know that having an external mic helps because you cut out the sound of the motor, but other then that I was curious if there was any difference. It sounds as if there isn't...

Oh, I have that exact cassette player you have linked, thanks!

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12. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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> ... But digital seems problematic as you get only so many
> hours and then you have to erase the lecture.

many of the better digitals allow uploading the contents to
your PC and then erasing (similar to uploading files from
a digital camera) so I wouldn't think this would be a problem.

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13. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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   Radio Shack still carries 120 (60 minutes per side) and 110 cassettes.


The only problem I ever had with them was using them in an extreamly aggressive fast rewind deck. The tape is thinner and it stretched. However, with common sense, they never break. I recorded an incredible RayCharles concert in Japan on a 120 and have listened to it in all kinds of players many many times.

And you're absolutely right about storage. Which will last longer, a 4 x 6 photo or a digital file? For most of us, the photo...and while I'm at it, long live vinyl! And handwritten letters! And cars I can actually repair myself! LOL

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14. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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   LAST EDITED ON 26-Sep-06 AT 09:03 PM (PST)
 
I use an Edirol (Roland) R-09 for field recording of meetings and lectures. They are a tad expensive, but worth it for my needs. It has a very good quality stereo condenser mic and records to SD card (up to 2GB, I believe) as either MP3 or Wave format. The bit rate is also adjustable if you want more recording time with less pristine quality.

I/O is through USB to the computer. I'm able to edit/snip extraneous stuff out of the recordings with music/sound editing software and piece the audio together as needed.

More info here:

http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=757&ParentId=114

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15. "RE: Casette players used to tape lectures..Good or bett"
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Stephanie,

You may find the following 2 Sony product worth investigating...

1/ http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=ICDBM1AVTP2&Dept=audio&CategoryName=pa_VoiceRecorders_DigitalVoiceRecorder
(this is a good product. I have one, and used it many times with good results)


2/ http://planetminidisc.stores.yahoo.net/mz-b10.html

If you have more money to spend, and really want to go pro ... this maybe another alternative.

http://www.edirol.com/products/r4pro/index.html
(I am tinkering with product. It has a bunch of features that I am still exploring ...)

Cheers,
- blue thrills


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