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"Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
 
I know the injury is different (Fydrich had a torn rotator cuff that went undiagnosed), but the sensationalism about him is similar. Tommy John surgery is often successful and many pitchers come back stronger.

Was he brought along too soon?
Are the mechanics that bring Strasburg so much success the reason for the injury?

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1. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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Fydrich was a completely different type of sensation. He did have a fantastic rookie season but the biggest appeal was his antics on the mound (talking to the ball, mound, etc).

Strasburg is a sensation for his skills only but pitching only a part of the season, he has not lived up to all the hype yet.

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2. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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   MLB's inability to manage great young arms is mind boggling.

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3. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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   I think these guys are like high stakes race horses, amazing to watch but fragile. The normal human body isn't built to produce such phenomenal velocities. The stress and torque 100 plus mph, not to mention breaking pitches, puts on human tendons and ligaments is ridiculous, so it's not surprising they break down if they reach that level. Now, as far as how MLB treats pitchers these days, that is a separate topic in itself, but I think that's a big part of it. JMO
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5. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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I don't think that was the case here. Strasburg was 'coddled' every step of the way. Boras and the Nats had a plan to transition him slowly. He had the right 'management' in place.

But he throws 100mph. And he throws curveballs. How can anyone be surprised he needs surgery?

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6. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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Gee, could it be that some of these "phenom" pitchers are paid way too much money and given way too much hype in high school or college?

Human arms were not meant for this... the underhand pitching style in softball is the more natural motion for an arm and shoulder.

Give me a guy who has 90-92 mph stuff and good movement/location over some 100+ mph surgery-waiting-to-happen guy any day.

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7. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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>Human arms were not meant for this...

Is that so? How many TJ surgeries do Nolan Ryan have, again?

My recollection was zero, but correct me if this guy who regularly hit three digits on the gun during about 120 years of major league play was defying a "natural motion" for a human arm.

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8. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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> How many TJ surgeries do Nolan Ryan have, again?

Speak English much?

> this guy who regularly hit three digits on the gun

Gee, you'd think a guy who threw that hard would be a little more dominant. It took him 28 years to rack up 324 wins against 292 losses, meaning an average season for him was 12 wins and 11 losses.

I'd have to agree with digital_fortress regarding the value of a pitcher with good movement and location. However, you're more than welcome to come back with another confrontational and off-topic reply. Funny how you and parkton both do that -- it's almost as if you're one and the same.

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9. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 28-Aug-10 AT 00:49 AM (PST)
 
Funny how you and Howard are so alike. Both are confrontational and doesn't use his head. It's almost as if you're one of the same.

By the way, you sure sound stupid here:
http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/pool/19816.html#13

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11. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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>> How many TJ surgeries do Nolan Ryan have, again?
>
>Speak English much?

Speak English fine. You not worth proof reed.

>> this guy who regularly hit three digits on the gun
>
>Gee, you'd think a guy who threw that hard would be a little
>more dominant.

I guess seven no-hitters is not good enough for you, eh? Oh, wait! He didn't play in the 1950's, so according to your line of thinking he's dog chow.

>Funny how you and parkton both do that -- it's almost as if you're
>one and the same.

Yawn. Believe what you want.

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12. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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>Gee, you'd think a guy who threw that hard would be a little
>more dominant.

"While his lifetime winning percentage was a relatively pedestrian .526, Ryan was an eight-time MLB All-Star, and his 5,714 career strikeouts rank first in baseball history. He leads the runner-up, Randy Johnson, by 839 strikeouts.

Ryan is the all-time leader in no-hitters with seven, three more than any other pitcher. He is tied with Bob Feller for most one-hitters, with 12. Ryan also pitched 18 two-hitters."

Yeah, you're right as always. After all, "throwing hard" and "throwing accurately and consistently" are inexorably linked. It's simply not possible for one to exist without the other.

Great thinking there, buddy. Your razor-sharp reasoning put me in my place, as usual.

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13. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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>>>Is that so? How many TJ surgeries do Nolan Ryan have, again?

There's always exceptions. And Ryan is one. For every Ryan there are 10-20 Kerry Woods, Mark Priors, etc...

I just stated a fact: The underhanded pitching motion (as in Softball) is a more natural and less damaging motion for the human arm. Overhand torque and power will damage more shoulders and elbows than most.

Roger Clemmens also didn't have many injuries. But now I think we can be suspicious of his longevity.

Point is: Clemmens and Ryan were great and were also exceptions to the rule.

These dudes who come out of high school and college throwing 101 aren't going to last long... and Strasburg was babied along the way. That didn't seem to help.

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17. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Report-Scout-clocks-Reds-pitching-prospect-Cha?urn=mlb-265783

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4. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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Lets hope not. "Tommy John Surgery" is the key.Like you said, "many pitchers comeback stronger"

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10. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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   >Are the mechanics that bring Strasburg so much success the
>reason for the injury?

According to Chris Lincecum they are. He predicted elbow trouble for him publicly and before there was any inkling he was having a problem.

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14. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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   big deal he should pitch 9 innings every games, these pitchers nowadays are to soft. wilbur wood of the white sox in the 1970's use to start both games of a double header and this does not mean pitching only 1 inning in both. he used to go 9 innings in game one then picth most of the 2nd game.

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15. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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Chris Lincecum shold be on the Giants payroll.

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16. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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   Report: Scout clocks Reds' pitching prospect Chapman at 105 mph

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Report-Scout-clocks-Reds-pitching-prospect-Cha?urn=mlb-265783

LW

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18. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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   I dont get these new Pussy Pichers breaking down, cant pitch complete games or have to be yanked after 100 pictches ..... did you ever see the great ones getting arm problems like ..... Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Steve Carlton, Bob Gibson, Jim Palmer, Juan Marichal, Gaylord Perry, Catfish Hunter .... and they all could care less about pitch counts and completed games!

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19. "RE: Is Strasburg the new Mark Fydrich?"
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It ain't the pussy pitchers who want to be pulled after 100 pitches. It is the pussy owners who want to protect their pocketbook! I sure do wish the Giants would let Zito go for about 200 pitches every start. Maybe let him go on 3 days rest also.

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