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"Sex Addiction is a Lie"
 
There is no such thing as sex addiction.


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1. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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   Watch out, you are dangerously close to saying you can't be addicted to shopping.

"Alea iacta est!"

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3. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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Lol.


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2. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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How do you know? I know a man that has to jack off 3-5 times a day at 53 yrs old. Has been doing it since his teen years and can't seem to think straight or function if he doesn't. Ive witnessed him cumming 18 times in 1 day! Yes, I am for real about this!

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4. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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His sexual response is different from most, but why is that considered an addiction?


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6. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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Because he has become psychologically dependent on this type of behavior and can't seem to function on a productive level unless he releases his stress throughout the day.

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7. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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I think the key would be that because of his sexual activity, he can function, rather than he cannot function because of it. In my thought, the indication of addiction would be that his life is unmanageable (or he is hurting others), but he seems to be managing. I agree it does seem extremely odd and out of the norm.

I wonder if there is a philological issue. And no doubt, he feels like he is out of control and experiences deep concerns and a strong sense of being strange from this. Well, I guess he is indeed strange, lol.

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13. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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Your friend is simply a jagoff, both literally and figuratively.

He is a jagoff because he, well, jacks off three times a day and he is even more of a jagoff because he feels the need to tell you about it.

He is simply a loser trying to blame his massive loserdom on some fictitious addiction.

You should tell him to go to the gym for an hour a day if he can pull himself away from pulling the pud.

That would be a productive use of his alleged excess energy.

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5. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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Why do you say that?


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8. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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Some of the things that guided my thinking can be found in the following links.

Can sex be an addiction?

http://www.csun.edu/~psy453/addict_n.htm

Commonly described as an experience of powerlessness, unmanageable drive, and a basic out-of-control sexual behavior, "sexual addiction" is nothing more than a "learned" sexual behavior expressed in violation of prevailing societal norms and expectations.

- Note: The example given by KaylaLuv would not seem to fit the learned sexual behavior assertion.

In our society today it appears to be in vogue to attribute numerous unpopular behaviors to biological and psychological origins. It is an explanation of convenience for something threatening and unpopular, thus unacceptable, thus deviant and not normal . By labeling certain behaviors addictions we run the risk of jeopardizing our self-concept of autonomous beings and we relinquish the control or lack of it to entities outside of ourselves.

THE MYTH OF SEX ADDICTION

http://www.sexed.org/newsletters/issue01.html

The diagnosis of "sex addiction" has become popular with both lay people and professionals in recent years. But it is a destructive and irresponsible one that should be discontinued. In 21 years as a marriage counselor & sex therapist, I've never seen a single case in which the label "sex addiction" was clinically useful. That's because there is no such thing. What we clinicians do frequently see includes:

* Poor decision-making: Even the healthiest people occasionally behave sexually in ways which later they regret.

* Poor impulse control: This, too, we all experience to one degree or another with money, food, TV, gossip, etc. Most of the time it is simply inconvenient; sometimes it gets out of hand.

* Obsessive-compulsive behavior: A small number of people think, feel, and do things that they don't want to do. Whether it's exhibitionism or hand washing, they are driven: the more they try to stop, the worse they feel, and the more they have to do it.

* Psychotic or sociopathic personalities: This small group of people has impaired reality-testing, and typically behaves with complete disregard for even the most basic social conventions.

Addictionologists now call all of these behaviors, when sexuality is the vehicle, symptoms of the same poorly-defined disease--"sex addiction." Supposedly, "sex addicts" can't control themselves; they cannot be cured, they can only "recover."

But I say that, except for a handful of truly disturbed people, all of us have the ability to control our sexual energy. For the vast majority of people, "being out of control" sexually is a metaphor, a metaphor we clinicians see every day in countless non-sexual forms. It's more accurate to say, instead, that for many people, controlling sexual urges is difficult or emotionally painful.

Relinquishing our power--FEELING out of control--is a classic defense to reduce this pain. By encouraging people to admit that they ARE powerless, they are prevented from examining how they've come to FEEL powerless--and what they can do about that feeling.
Saying that people are powerless over sex, the fundamental definition of "sex addiction," undermines them. It robs people of the tools they need to understand or (if they wish) change their lives. And it relieves people of the responsibility for developing an adult sexuality, one that involves subtleties, choices, and strong feelings such as fear, anxiety, anger, joy, and passion.
The concept of "sex addiction" is a set of moral beliefs disguised as science, as reflected in these fundamental concepts of "sex addiction" training programs and Sexaholics Anonymous:
Sex is most healthy in committed, monogamous, heterosexual relationships

There are "obvious" limits to healthy sexual expression (for example, masturbation more than once a day)

Choosing to use sex to feel better about yourself or to escape from problems is unhealthy.

The concept of "sex addiction" really rests upon the assumption that sex is dangerous. There's the sense that we frail humans are vulnerable to the Devil's temptations of pornography, masturbation, "promiscuity," and extramarital affairs, and that if we yield, we become "addicted."

The "sex addiction" movement is also dangerous in the way it supports the anti-sexuality forces in this country. "Sex addiction" is the Right's newest justification for eliminating sex education, birth control clinics, gay/lesbian rights, and books like "The Color Purple" from school libraries. We should not be colluding with this destructive, life-denying force.

If mass murderer Ted Bundy had announced that watching Bill Cosby reruns had motivated his awful crimes, he would have been dismissed as a deranged sociopath. Instead, Bundy proclaimed that his "pornography addiction" made him do it, and many Right-wing feminists and conservatives treated this as the conclusion of a thoughtful social scientist. Why?

Virtually no one in the field of sexology believes in the concept of "sex addiction." All clinicians and thoughtful people should reject any model suggesting that men and women must spend their lives 1) fearing sexuality's destructive power; 2) being powerless about sexuality; 3) lacking the tools to relax and let sex take over when appropriate. In these terrible anti-sex times, one of our most important tasks is to reaffirm that sex, though complex, is precious, not dangerous.

Misinformation about addiction is another cause of failure

http://www.sexualcontrol.com/sexual-addiction-misconceptions-to-avoid.html

Knowing how to approach the problem is a necessary ingredient for success. Knowing what is not true about the problem can be more important. Since we live in a media-driven world, you will be bombarded with mistaken ideas about addiction for a long time to come. You need to be aware of them so that your attempt to overcome sex addiction is not hindered by misconceptions.


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9. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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>Why do you say that?

Now to answer your question, sorry for being so longwinded about it, lol.

“The concept of 'sex addiction' is a set of moral beliefs disguised as science, as reflected in these fundamental concepts of 'sex addiction' training programs and Sexaholics Anonymous:
Sex is most healthy in committed, monogamous, heterosexual relationships”

“In the sexual arena, so many have suffered needlessly because they were told by sexually repressive people that they had a problem.”

As I’ve stated before, As a society we need to not impose our moral prerogatives on how consenting adults wish to privately express their sexuality.

I hope that hobbyist and providers who are conflicted about their participation in the hobby find some comfort knowing that they can still be spiritual and wonderful people despite what society thinks of us.


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10. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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So basically this is a behavioral disorder that has psychological dependence and a real addiction would have a physical dependence. This is what I am gathering.

But isn't a psychological dependence still a form of an addiction even if it also considered behavioral disorder?

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11. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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I think psychological dependence is harder to overcome than physical dependence. The point is more at what is considered a “behavioral disorder” relative to sexual practices has been driven too much by social/moral considerations.

For example, take the practice of rimming (analingus). People fall into three general categories, even without consideration of hygiene issues.

1. Love it and want more of it.
2. Don’t have a problem with it, but it doesn’t do anything for me.
3. Eeewww, gross.

People have different feelings and sensitivity to this act. They are not wrong in how they feel, just different. The anus for a lot of people has supersensitive nerve endings, so licking the area can be incredibly arousing. I would not try to talk anyone into doing this, just as I would not try to anyone out of it.

My point is that this should not be considered a behavior disorder.

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12. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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having sex is great! thats all i have to say

hugs & kisses,
Angela Banks

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14. "RE: Sex Addiction is a Lie"
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   Reminds me of Australian comedian Rodney Rude's joke:


Rodney goes to the doctor

Rodney, G'day Doc, every time I sneeze I ejaculate

Doc: Geez Rodney, you taking anything for it right now?

Rodney: Yep Doc, Black Pepper!

I could get addicted to Black Pepper!

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