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"San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
 
http://www.marinij.com/ci_15773291?source=most_viewed
Five San Rafael men were arrested during an undercover prostitution sting in the Canal area, police said Friday.
The operation was conducted Thursday, when two women officers posed as prostitutes in the neighborhood, said San Rafael police Sgt. Raul Aguilar. Police organized the sting following numerous complaints about prostitution in the area.

Four men were arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor solicitation, then cited and released pending court appearances. They were identified as Juan Nicolas Tique Chiche, 42; Noe Ramirez Cruz, 33; Jesus Alfredo Cab Acosta, 22; and Moises Lopez, 40.

The fifth suspect, Jose Orsy Quintanilla-Lemus, 31, was arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor solicitation and felony drug possession, Aguilar said.

COMMENT: This really pisses me off! THIS is what my tax dollars are going to? Setting up a sting operation in the CANAL? An area with barely any action at all??? EARTH TO SR VICE: Set up a sting operation in ANY area and you will nab 4-5 horny guys--you might as well just throw money in the street and see who picks it up!

Look, I understand the need to curb street prostitution and I know vice has a job to do. But the Canal, REALLY? No a single incident of prostitution on your own website in 60 days and you waste all the time, money and resources to nab a few locals? What exactly do you think you accomplished other than harassing those poor guys? Did you stop ANYTHING? Of course not. Sting operations in major SW areas where guys are coming from all over the bay area makes sense as the cruising itself is the nuisance and it brings more SW's to the area. But I don’t anyone who travels to the Canal area of San Rafael on the off chance there's 1 or 2 hookers who happen to be out.

If LE really wanted to do something about hookers in the Canal, which is so occasional it’s a joke, they would respond to a complaint right away and find the hooker and her pimp and prosecute HIM! He's probably black and has dreadlocks and bringing his ho's from Oakland or Sacramento to San Rafael for a few hours before heading home. The shiny wheels on his pimp mobile should make him easy to find.

But LE please, doesn’t waste my tax dollars on a showboat sting that does nothing but make local news. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves!

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1. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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I agree with you Raider Darren. Just like the recent busts in Vacaville and Sacramento. Another example of LE going after the defenseless and unwilling to fight back, instead of going after the real criminals with automatic weapons, resources, and manpower. Plus it's an election year. Someone in the city of San Rafael must be up for re-election.

Anyone need two left-footed shoes?

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2. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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Yeah but Sacramento GVI is at least understandable. I mean, it’s been an obvious whorehouse for a while. I love it, but I can understand why local residents didn’t and why the police took some action.

But the San Rafael Canal? Sure, respond with some units when there's a complaint once in a while. But an undercover sting operation to nail a few local "johns" who failed to control their impulses? Talk about overkill! It’s just ridiculous!

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3. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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   something,, sometimes,, have to be done

this area seems to be quite until a few pretty legs are walking around

sounds like some guys wife was drving by and said

" oh..... going to the gym uhh theres the extra 100 a week, he has'nt lost a pound"

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8. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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in my opinion: there are far too many LE's around. They are pretty bored during job hours and try to get some excitement into that have not much to do.
...and with this bullshit: they want to prove that they are needed
and justify their employment.

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4. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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Sorry to be so direct but both of you, while totally correct in your statements, seem to be laboring under the illusion that LE actually gives a f*%k about what the citizens want. Look good, make busts, get your pension, screw the citizens.

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6. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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   Well said xray. May I add something to that: sure the public may read about the "big" operation that netted all of FIVE (read em, five!) arrests but the public will never know the REAL outcome which is in reality how many of the five will actually be convicted.

Pity the taxpayers who don't know how they get screwed!

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10. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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I'm not as cynical as you. I beleive that sting operations originate from pressure by local communities to curb as specific problem. But in this case, prostition is such a minor occurance in the Canal area and this type of costly operation was directed at the wrong people. The only way to rid an area like the Canal of (the very limited) street prostitution is to go after the pimps that occasionally bring their ho's to the area.

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7. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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   Darren, you have totally ruined my perceptions of raider fans!

Not only is that a huge waste of time and resources but it
appears to be prejudiced as well. What does it say that all of the
johns were Hispanic? I find it hard to believe that there
were no caucasion customers. Maybe this was just their version
of ethnic cleansing?

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9. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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The significance of the fact that only Hispanic "Johns" were arrested proves that these guys were just locals, living in the area, when they saw a couple scantly clad females selling their wares. The Canal is predominantly Hispanic and most of the men are poor day laborers or gardeners, etc.

Its obvious to me that this was a poor decision in response to some complaints. It was a prostitution sting that had no chance of deterring prostitution, not to mention costing a lot of money.

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5. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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=D>

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11. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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   I seen them today near the motel 6 one in a blueish VAn with tints and he was parked next too a 300 black chrysler who was a under too! the van had a young looking latina in it so she must be the bait there using! i was outta there as soon as they seen me and i seen them... its hot play safe everyone!

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12. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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   "If LE really wanted to do something about hookers in the Canal, which is so occasional it’s a joke, they would respond to a complaint right away and find the hooker and her pimp and prosecute HIM! He's probably black and has dreadlocks and bringing his ho's from Oakland or Sacramento to San Rafael for a few hours before heading home. The shiny wheels on his pimp mobile should make him easy to find.

But LE please, doesn’t waste my tax dollars on a showboat sting that does nothing but make local news. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves!"


Well said, sir! My sentiments exactly.

Want to crack down on the real criminal, exploitative elements here, or in any major urban area in California? Then go after the parasitic, low-life pimps who prey on young, naive, broke girls. But LE can't be bothered with any of that because many of these scumbags are felons who aren't going to go along peacefully and they'd have to do some real investigative police work to nail'em. No, they'd much rather perpetuate the system by giving otherwise law-abiding girls a criminal record which makes it even more difficult for them to get back into the mainstream employment pool. The cowardly fucks in charge of such bogus LE efforts should be totally ashamed of themselves and publicly humiliated for going after the victims rather than the true criminals here.

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14. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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   Marin cops are a sad state of affairs. They take the concept of "low hanging fruit" to a whole new level. And they are quite inept, like blowing away a mentally disturbed young man holding a butter knife. Some guys I grew up with live there and bitch about the cops constantly.

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15. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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SRPD has some sort of secret Task Force working the Canal.

I wonder if this was part of it.

Either way, I agree, A Big Waste of Taxpayer Dollars.


I'll try anything once, or twice...

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16. "one telling sign..."
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   ...is that 9 out of 10 cops will show up to trial in Marin's traffic court whereas other counties average half that or less. This tells you where the emphasis of LE is in Marin -- it certainly is not on real crime. They're out to get as many harmless citizens engaged in the courts as they can so they can make them pay into the system and justify their own existence; and they'll go out of their way to avoid dangerous criminals. These are truly the bottom of the pigpen.

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17. "RE: one telling sign..."
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   I think this was at the Extended Stay in San Rafael. A girl I saw there said the cops raided the place not long ago...must have been it.

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18. "Nope..."
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While this 'may' be true, its not what the article was about.

The story in the Marin IJ was about a 'John Sting' in which they used undercover female officers to nab some unsuspecting 'Johns'. They put female officer's at risk and wasted thousands of our tax dollars on this ridiculous operation that nabbed 5 locals! Again, what a fucking waste of time and money. SR Vice should be ashamed of themselves as 'cruising Johns' in the canal area is not what brings hookers there. The low-life Oakland and Sac pimps do.

As for the Econ Inn, its not in the Canal District but on the frontage road towards the Richmond Bridge. The girls who stay there are striclty incall escorts who advertise on CL & RB. Again, a raid there is a total waste of our tax dollars as they are not preventing prostitution (becuase the girls will just move elsewhere). Not to mention, these girls are not bothering ANYBODY! They are doing their thing dicreetly behind closed doors. Having this option actually lowers the demand for street prostitution in the area.

I'm suprised there isnt one officer in the bunch with the morality and common sense to focus these types of operation on the pimps who are often drug dealers and violent, let alone exploiting these poor women. Instead, they go after the easy prey just like the pimps do.

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19. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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   This isn't about stopping prostitution at all, if it was they'd be out busting pimps and prostitutes not just johns. It's just like the DUI checkpoints, they're not really out to catch drunk drivers, they're looking for illegals. The Canal has a lot of hispanic residents so I bet they were just looking to get some people deported. Also a way for the police to make some money for themselves.

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20. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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they're looking for illegals. The Canal has a lot of hispanic residents so I bet they were just looking to get some people deported. Also a way for the police to make some money for themselves.

That puts a whole nother slant on it. If that is what they are really doing I'd say give them a standing ovation and right on officers. Keep it up.

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21. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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   Xrayman you sound like you're with the ..
Or maybe your native american and this is your land.
I hear the state of Arizona is trying to fill their state with people like yourself,you know... the racist . type.

Where is the poplar tree ?

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22. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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   Well wouldn't you know it "k._K. K." Is a banned word . Or 3 k's together will not appear in the body of the text. Xrayman your a racist. The 3 k's type .

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23. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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You obviously don't know what the F you are talking about.
Oh wait, I get it. I don't agree with you so I must be racist. That sounds like typical Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton rhetoric. If they don't agree with you call them a racist so you will not have to actually defend your point.

There is nothing racist about expecting our governement to protect our borders from anyone who would come in illegally. Nor is there anything racist about expecting LE to enforce the local, state, and federal laws that are in effect at this time, whether you agree with them or not. My business clients are Mexican, Brazilian, Costa Rican, and Black but they are also legally in the country. I totally support every immigrant in the country legally and none of those who are not.


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24. "RE: San Rafael Vice Bullshit"
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   I can assure you both the cops in S.R have no interest in deporting anyone. The cops in San Rafael are interested in separating it's citizens from their money and not much else.

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25. "indeed..."
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   ...deporting someone from SR is near the bottom of the list of things LE wants to do right now.

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