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foilboy
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25-Aug-10, 11:17 AM (PST)
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"just get in the car"
 
   Last few times I've been out and about in SF, I've come home empty-handed. I'm just not finding much of interest in the Mission or Tenderloin on my late late night patrols.

Last night, I drove through the Mission around 8pm. There was a cute blonde WSW, early 20s at 17th/Capp. Dressed like a civilian, jeans and a light blouse. Very nice looking, one of the best I've seen in the Mission. I circled around and she came over to my car. Opened the passenger door, and asked if I wanted a date. I told her no, but I would give her a ride. She said she was working and didn't need a ride, did I want a date. I said no, I just wanted to give her a ride and she could hop in but I didn't talk through the door. She said if I wanted I could park and talk to her on the street. Clearly didn't get it, and I reluctantly passed up on her.

I drove over to check out the lot on 17th between Shotwell and Folsom to see if there was an LE setup in there, but nothing of interest. I probably missed out on a legit nice one, but I would rather play it safe.

Wish these girls would learn to just get in the damn car.

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1. "RE: just get in the car"
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   Before I found this mb I was one of the few people that would talk to girls through the window. Apparently this is the easiest way to get caught. Remember it's always better to be safe than to be sorry. If the girl won't bargain with you, then drop her off and move on.

Plenty of fish in the sea.

As for Mish, I actually gave it a look around 3:00am last night. All that was out were crackheads on Mission between 12th and 30th. I didn't travel too far since I had already hit up INTY earlier in the night.

-Stoots

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25-Aug-10, 01:27 PM (PST)
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2. "RE: just get in the car"
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   stoots...i guess you found someone in your price range...lol...jk...anyways...like stoots said, it's always best to be safe than sorry...more than like if the girl didn't catch on and just ride with you for a bit to discuss business than maybe she wasn't legit...female officers don't ever get in the car...they tell you through the window to meet them somewhere...so you were probably better off going home empty handed than not going home at all

...just a thought...

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25-Aug-10, 01:53 PM (PST)
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3. "RE: just get in the car"
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   >stoots...i guess you found someone in your price
>range...lol...jk...anyways...like stoots said, it's always
>best to be safe than sorry...more than like if the girl
>didn't catch on and just ride with you for a bit to discuss
>business than maybe she wasn't legit...female officers don't
>ever get in the car...they tell you through the window to
>meet them somewhere...so you were probably better off going
>home empty handed than not going home at all
>
>...just a thought...


A few years ago, I remember on a the news they showed girls (decoy) getting into a few Johns car's, once the decoy are in the car, and they drive off (no even a block) a cop in a van, would fellow them, then out of the no where mark car would pull over the John, and said you just picked up a decoy, most of the Johns kept there mouth shut, and not say a thing.

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4. "RE: just get in the car"
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   Even if the girl gets into your car and you get stopped a block or two away the cops still have no case if you haven't said anything incriminating. It's best to go a few blocks while checking in your rearview mirror for tail before talking business.

OTH, that's why most departments do not let their decoy to get into the car for the ride along. It's not only risky but also a lot of hassle for the backup cars to pursue and then sometimes all for nothing. They figure it's easier and quicker to just nab the dumb johns who talks through their cars.

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26-Aug-10, 11:15 PM (PST)
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17. "RE: just get in the car"
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   This the first time I have ever heard of this...? I have see where the decoy will step in the car. But I have not seen where they will let the guy drive off with her. Can anyone else confirm his findings...?

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5. "RE: just get in the car"
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Last night, I drove through the Mission around 8pm. There was a cute blonde WSW, early 20s at 17th/Capp. Dressed like a civilian, jeans and a light blouse. Very nice looking, one of the best I've seen in the Mission. I circled around and she came over to my car. Opened the passenger door, and asked if I wanted a date. I told her no, but I would give her a ride. She said she was working and didn't need a ride, did I want a date. I said no, I just wanted to give her a ride and she could hop in but I didn't talk through the door. She said if I wanted I could park and talk to her on the street. Clearly didn't get it, and I reluctantly passed up on her.

I read all the other posts here and it appears the group agrees she was probably a decoy. The kicker for me was that you could come back and talk to her without your car. Clearly she was all about getting you to talk about money for sex without getting in your car. Also the fact that she was dressed down on a very warm night when one would expect the girls to take advantage of the temp to dress hot. Sounds to me like very typical Decoy behavior.

What were you looking for in the 17th and Shotwell Lot? Usually LE has a large plain white van or a larger squareback White Truck and they park all the way in back against the wall. Both have been reported by RB dudes when observing stings in progress. One night I even followed the truck all the eway from the Funeral Parlor lot in the TL to the Shotwell Lot in the Mish so I know it is for real. There are usually several other white vans in there too so it can be hard to tell. Lately I noticed they have been running stings without either one of those. Easy in the mish where the station is only two blocks away. There was also a really hot blonde whom I did not recognise in the TL a few weeks ago at Ellis and Hyde. Another one who insisted on talking through the window which makes it an easy call to say no thank you and drive on. But, LE has lost their favorite parking lot there by the Chinse restaurant At one point, several years ago, they had even rented an apartment on ELlis half wasy between Larkin and Polk and would walk the Johns over there for the paperwork. We need to acknowledge LE's expertise in this area and not get locked in to always looking for the same thing.


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25-Aug-10, 07:48 PM (PST)
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7. "RE: just get in the car"
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   Deep down, I don't think she was a decoy. If she were, I would expect something more blatant, like a specific offer of sex for cash (offering it herself rather than waiting for me to ask). But nevertheless, I want to live to hobby another day so if the girl doesn't get in quickly then I move on.

Ray, that's exactly what I was looking for in the lot -- a van or truck, or some activity that looked like guys were getting booked. Just because it's not there doesn't mean that she's not a decoy, but I was curious after my encounter to see if there was an obvious indicator.

I don't think it was an issue of her not feeling comfortable with me. I agree that they can be wary or hesitant if uncomfortable, and I can understand that. But here I think if I had said sure I want a date, she would have hopped right in (assuming she was legit) and the issue was more she didn't want to waste her time, like girls who want confirmation you have a hundred bucks before they get in (not for me). Or maybe some misguided belief that if I say I want a date, she can't be busted for solictation.

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14. "RE: just get in the car"
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A little paranoia is a good thing in this hobby. I am sure I have passed up some good dates just because my spider sense was tingling and it did not feel right. Far better to miss one good one that to get nailed on a bad one. And if she is just being overly cautious too she missed a date with you but felt like she was protecting herself and that is not a bad thing either.

You played it cool and that is the smart way to bet.

Ray

I am not nearly are paranoid as the people who are after me think I am.

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6. "RE: just get in the car"
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   "Wish these girls would learn to just get in the damn car."

If they don't feel safe with you they won't.

There have been too many girls robbed, beaten or killed by not trusting their instincts.

Each gal has their own criteria for determining "real business" from kooks, crazies, or time wasters.

You know that you're a nice guy with "semi-honorable" intentions, but they don't.

DaiLun

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8. "RE: just get in the car"
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   I also have noticed another good tell-tale sign is the girl might reach for your crotch to see if ur LE or not. If a SW does not do this then beware. It's almost like the signature move. LE would never grab your cock, or let you feel their pussy.


-Stoots

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26-Aug-10, 12:08 PM (PST)
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15. "RE: just get in the car"
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   "LE would never grab your cock, or let you feel their pussy."
That may be true, but I wouldn't be so sure. SW's have told me stories of giving BJ to LE and being arrested immediately after. 
- Teddy

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25-Aug-10, 09:57 PM (PST)
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9. "RE: just get in the car"
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Unlock the passenger door but keep the windows rolled. When they open the door tell them to grab a seat, that you will give them a ride. Even the slow ones and newbies catch on.

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25-Aug-10, 10:31 PM (PST)
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10. "RE: just get in the car"
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   what if she's a decoy and she gets in to your car, and do you think she'll let you do the cop check? if yes, will you still be charge by the cops?

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11. "RE: just get in the car"
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   Here's the deal: IF SHE GETS IN THE CAR, the DOOR is closed, AND YOU ARE ROLLING AT ALL SHE IS NOT A COP. That's the real cop check, from the mongers' standpoint.

Do not talk through the window (as everyone else has said. Do not talk as she is getting in the car. When the door is closed, and you are moving, then talk. If she objects to that, she may be a decoy. think with your big head. And stick to this strictly. They have been known to get in the car, START to close the door, and ask an incriminating question, which if you answer will get you arrested (and probably cited out--but you do NOT need that hassle).


_____________

FriscoJack

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12. "RE: just get in the car"
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   I've passed up on some good looking girls because they want to talk before they get in the car. But that's also why I've never been busted. Guys always trust your head upstairs not the one down below. If they don't like getting and the car or if they get half way in and start to talk business, it's wise to tell her to get out and you keep on driving. Plus just be smart and do a little recon of the area before you stop, you might see that unmarked parked around there some where, those LE are always near by or even on bikes or walking around trying to blend in. So play it safe and use your big head.

Play safe n ride easy.

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13. "RE: just get in the car"
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Agree...it's always better to pass up someone who looks good but the alarms go off for some reason and you shouldn't ignore those alarms.

Brando: "I could've been a contender!"

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16. "RE: just get in the car"
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   To me, it is tough to pick up some really hot SW'ers because I assume they are TGTBT. I have dated some cuties both on redbook and on the streets, so I am not complaining, but I am still waiting for the perfect Thick Young WSW with a big bootie and fantastic boobies. I know I will find her, but I will probably have to search redbook for this girl, as INTY is mostly BSW and LSW from what I see.

-Stoots

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18. "RE: just get in the car"
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   In addition you should always do the feel test. But just ask a generic question like "can I touch you". One good way find out if she is a decoy is to park and observe and drive around. If there is a sting taking place you will see the cops in action fairly fast.

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19. "RE: just get in the car"
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   One more point if I may? If you ride the streets alot you see the same girls out there everyday. Now, if all of a sudden you some hot babe and she looks out of place then that might mean she can be LE. But most of the girls for example on inty are either with a pimp and that's one way of telling if they're LE or not. But like I said before it's always worth the time doing some recon and watching the action yourself.

Play safe and ride easy.

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20. "RE: just get in the car"
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that is true.... but sometimes their are girls out just to get the rent money that month.... u never see them again.... those are the truely real good dates....

just be cautious.

never look back on a missed date


"Can't Spell - Butt sure can DAYT"

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21. "RE: just get in the car"
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   Foilboy -

Good work - VICE Decoys will NEVER get in the car.

Better safe than sorry -


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