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notmeithink
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27-Aug-10, 04:00 PM (PST)
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"Police priorities and mongering."
 
   Where I live, there has been an obvious shift by law enforcement from crime prevention to revenue raising. It might have always been there subtly but now it's all out in the open. I wouldn't be surprised if they run computer models every morning showing where drivers are most likely to be confused by poorly designed traffic indicators and commit infractions. Have others noticed this and has it changed the way street action is policed?

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Gnusey
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1. "RE: Police priorities and mongering."
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This complaint is often heard in So. Alameda County, specifically San Leandro. LE has been issuing plenty of tickets for "rolling stops" at stop signs. Motorist has no defense. The citation can be costly, but it's not worth losing a day at work to try and fight it.

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5. "RE: Police priorities and mongering."
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   $436.00 makes it worth fighting it IMHO!
I used this website and followed the steps outlined and won my case.
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/


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6. "it's..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 28-Aug-10 AT 12:46 PM (PST)
 
...worth fighting most tix, and that website is informative (I provided the link on RB myself some 2 years ago) but unfortunately not very user friendly for most here actually thinking of contesting an infraction.

I think it would be more helpful if you posted here what procedures you actually used to win your case.

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2. "RE: Police priorities and mongering."
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>> Where I live, there has been an obvious shift by law enforcement from crime prevention to revenue raising. <<

I don't know about anyone else, but my recent/current perceptions of pretty much all the governmental agencies in California, is that they place their own benefit and survival above their oaths to serve the better interests and ideals the people that put them where they are.

Aggressive shifts in their approach and tactics as to how they capture us evil mongers and whores are sure to come, and will be a real pain in the ass, but I think it's just a symptom of something far worse.

Your post reminds me of something I was reading earlier today. The article didn't have anything to do with mongering.

"Governments don't form themselves, they are formed by people in order to gain some advantage, usually to enhance their welfare by forming a group large enough to accomplish collectively what they can not achieve on an individual basis, such as defending their homes. The paradox of government is that the individual must always give up certain personal freedoms in order to enjoy the collective benefits.

The sad thing about governments is that in every single case, government formed by the people eventually becomes so large it begins to prey upon the people who created it. Instead of being the servant of the people, it becomes their adversary. Our founding fathers recognized this flaw and tried to insure against it by stressing certain 'inalienable' rights, all of which have been abridged by our government whenever it feels threatened".

"There are Nights when the Wolves are Silent....and Only the Moon Howls"

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3. "RE: Police priorities and mongering."
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   Our governator had an editorial in Friday's WSJ about how the public employees of CA are ruining the state with their impossible-to-meet pension benefits; this situation has to hit the wall before long.
On a related matter, can anyone update me on the car confiscation policy in Oakland? Are they still doing that? Can they still do that? Even if not, what are the practical consequences of a first-time encounter with LE on Intl or SPA if you don't have much a of a defense? I've had occasion to be on those streets more lately and wondering what the situation is at this time.

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4. "although..."
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   ...I agree that LE is overpaid and overstaffed and that they should reduce their retirement accrual from 3% per year worked to 2% or less. I don't agree with the claim that benefits are impossible to meet. Basically, this is yet another case of scapegoating, fear mongering and political posturing. The fact is that when the contracts were made there was plenty of funding and the rates of accrual were agreed upon based on need and competetive recruitment needs. Those who were hired under those contracts cannot now be renegged upon. They can, however, change the contracts when they come up for renewal, usually every 2 years, and that is what they should do so that future recruits get lower benefits based on current market conditions. They could even change the accrual rates for future years of those who were hired years ago, but they cannot reduce the percentages already accrued. This means that someone who worked 10 years and has already accrued 30% will keep that total but if the new contract agrees to accrue at 2% then they'll only get 20% more for the next 10 yrs so that they'd have 50% (instead of 60%) of their salary if they retire after working 20 yrs, or 70% (instead of 90%) if retired after 30 yrs. That is how the real world works.

Onto the bigger picture: The solution to what the governor claims "impossible to meet" situation is to stop paying interest on government debts by ceasing to carry high debts. To do that quickly, taxes need to be raised by several percentage points for 4 years. The governor will continue to posture and spit out the same negative nonsense (which are not truths or facts and create impasses to real solutions) on economic concerns knowing that he's leaving office soon. We need a governor who's willing to do what the public has been brainwashed to fear, tax everyone, cut LE positions and future contract salries and benefits.

If the politicians really stood for fiscal responsibility, they would put aside the same old political posturing and fear mongering rhetoric and apply the simple solutions that are clearly in front of us all. It's what individual americans have been doing as shown by decreasing national personal debt averages:
1) Rein in outstanding contracts and debts by paying them off with any avalable means(i.e. increase taxes -- with clear dates when each increase will be repealed, i.e. dates not dependent on debt or fiscal values but rather the amount of the increases should be based on current debt and interest amounts to allow full repayment of the debts by a given date with the increased taxes earmarked for repayment of that specific debt only),
2) minimize current expenses(fire more LE) and
3) cut offers on future contracts (lower salaries and benefits for new hires)
4) make sure the state does not accrue any new total debt under current budgets, which are kept separate and independent of #1 above.

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7. "RE: right on..."
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   You, sir, made a lot of senses. Unfortunately the average voter is a dumbfuck who is easily given in to fear: fear of tax, fear of reduced LE, fear of legal and sensible prostitution, fear of legal and sensible marijuana, fear of the unknowns, etc... Materialistically the USA maybe one of the most advanced in the world with one of the highest standard of living but mentally and spiritually the average American is a Neanderthal compare to the rest of the world.

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8. "RE: although..."
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   I'm one of those dumbfucks, I guess, tho I do have a degree in econ.
I can appreciate everything you say except "raise taxes by several percentage points for four years". What taxes? State income tax? Sales tax? Quite a difference.
But then, I'm totally private sector, and since I have a lot of discretion in what I do, I decided a long time ago to work less, make less, and pay less taxes. Raise the state income tax, and I'll be even more lazy. No gain for the state. And I'm not alone. And when did the state raise a tax for four years, then drop it again?
I'm not trying to make an ad hominem attack, but I'm guessing you have some interest in the public sector. Who knows, you may have the answer; but there is a lot of anti-tax sentiment out there, and those of us who feel this way are not all TOTAL dumbfucks.

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9. "RE: although..."
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it is very simple: Government just can't handle money. You give them more through good economic times or tax increases, they will find a way to spend it (mostly wasted) and give raises, better benefits to the government employees. Taxes are already raised on a local level (sales tax). And then look at the college expenses. Went up around 30%. And bond after bond gets added to the property tax bill. Just a few examples.

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10. "basically..."
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   ...start with the easiest and move down the list: sales, income, property. BTW, realizing the facts is not a matter of being a "dumbfuck" (or not). If taxes aren't raised to decrease the debt then your taxes are simply going towards paying interest upon more interest for years on end. If you eliminate the debt, a case can be made to decrease taxes further later, which is what we all want.

As to your statement of having an interest in the public sector, who doesn't? We all benefit from the convenience of having good public roads, rails, hospitals, schools and even some of the basic research at Universities, etc... And most would like these things to be maintained so that the latest tech, knowledge and science is applied soon after it becomes available.

I think what you may be saying is that we need to make cuts in public services instead of raising taxes. The reality is that we need to do both. However, cuts are far more difficult to negotiate and to economically equate to the outstanding value of the total debt and ensuing interest since most public services do not have set values but rather a range of spending which is usually allotted from a general fund by department.

This raises the question, which state departments would you like to see cut first, second, etc? I believe that law enforcement and prison spending is where a lot of the fat and waste is, particularly knowing how many laws are in the books that cause so many harmless citizens to be housed at taxpayer expense. Cut LE hiring, increase LE layoffs, cut future benefits in upcoming contracts, and reform laws to reduce or remove anti drug laws, DUI penalties, prostitution enforcement practices and other laws that are moral value choices that cause little or no increased harm to others or the population. It would be best to start by focusing on repealing legislative interference where it is not essential. Or where it is unfair, such as increasing taxes on those with children rather than giving them tax breaks. Single people without children should not have to bear a proportionately greater burden for services that benefit only those with children such as public education spending and certain public health and hospital programs.

The picture gets even more complicated when you start dealing with people who authored legislative actions that created special interest projects.

Bottom line: We need to pay off the debt; raising taxes is the clearest immediate and reliable solution to clear the bulk, if not all of it.

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11. "RE: although..."
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   The AVERAGE dumbfuck is just that because he doesn't realize the nuances of progressive taxation. Sure the middle class do not need to be taxed anymore than already. However only dumfucks will feel sorry for the fat cats having to pay more. Fat cats such as the recently famous Mark Hurd who not only mades millions in salary but also got millions more just for leaving his job. Fat cats such as Carly Fiorina, Meg Whitman...

Also not just the private sectors but there are also plenty of fat cats in the public sector as well, i.e. the top management at the SJPD or SJFD who not only draw excessive pays but also obscene benefits during and after their careers.

Still feel sorry for these FAT CATS?

On a related note the average dumfuck also does not realize that when politicians talk about "tax cut" they are in reality talk about "tax cut for the rich".

"Tax cut" has always been and will be meaning only "Tax cut for the rich".

How about feeling sorry for the FAT CATS who may soon lose their "Bush tax cut for the rich" when it expires this year?

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12. "RE: although..."
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   >> If the politicians really stood for fiscal responsibility, they would put aside the same old political posturing and fear mongering rhetoric and apply the simple solutions that are clearly in front of us all. <<

IMO you misplace blame. Labor (union's) create fear mongering with posturing and ads.

Remember OPD's threat of slowed response time, that they'd be "unresponsive to "these" types of calls"- after Oakland's mayor (a politician) laid off 10% (80) OPD officers?

Go "behind" California's 3 strikes law and see how many jobs were created to deal with the increased prison population, staff courts, increase law enforcement, prosecution, etc. Think those jobs bolstered union membership?

The Teacher's union spent millions slamming Guv Arnold for cutting their budget a few years ago. The teacher's union lobby for smaller classroom size- creating more teachers jobs - ergo union members. So blame politicians, public ignorance, or unions?

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